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[This is The End]

There are so many Palin threads I'm just going to post this here instead of starting a new one. Also it's a bit late (a week or so). Sorry on both fronts.

Does Palin's comparison to Hilary's breaking of the glass ceiling seem a bit unfair to anyone else? Aside from the frequent suspicions that McCain won't last four years, which I seriously doubt, how is this comparable. Isn't being second in command and not first the entire point of the analogy?

Also, when she was announced as the VP pick they were talking about her breaking the glass ceiling if they are elected, by the time of her speech it was moved up to already broken, elected or not..... That's how I recall it at least.

So maybe I should have started a new one

 

[gdnp]

And stop pretending that this stuff means the end of the world. If all the kids in the US were taught creationism instead of evolution, the economy would not shatter, the earth would not suddenly wobble on its axis, and the seas would not rise.

Actually, it's the "drill baby drill" that will lead to the seas rising...

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Palin has not, from the looks of things, been on the 'teach Creationism' bandwagon. Doesn't mean she wouldn't be influenced by those that are.

Her stand on the environment echoes those of the oil industry, deny where you can if anything requires action. She made quite the stink about polar bears and beluga whales being put on the threatened species list. Yet she admits that global warming is having an impact on AK. In other words, she sees there is climate change but let's not do anything about it that means we have to actually change anything. Seems to be one of those positions of convenience.

 

[gdnp]

Well, she said that global warming was having an effect on Alaska, but that she did think it was man-made, thus obviating the need to do anything about CO2 that might decrease Alaska's oil revenues. I like this quote from the global warming is having an impact on AK link above:

I am proud of the cutting edge work being done at the University, Governor Palin said. Alaska has top-notch scientists working on research and models that will inform and guide climate change decisions.

Other than making research available, Alaska can help the nation in other ways. Through the administration's aggressive pursuit of a Natural Gas Pipeline Alaska can provide a clean, domestic, reliable source of energy for decades to come.

What the **** does aggressively pursuing a natural gas pipleline that will provide more fossil fuel and thus worsen global warming have to do with reducing the effects of global warming?

 

[Brainster]

There are so many Palin threads I'm just going to post this here instead of starting a new one. Also it's a bit late (a week or so). Sorry on both fronts.

Does Palin's comparison to Hilary's breaking of the glass ceiling seem a bit unfair to anyone else? Aside from the frequent suspicions that McCain won't last four years, which I seriously doubt, how is this comparable. Isn't being second in command and not first the entire point of the analogy?

Also, when she was announced as the VP pick they were talking about her breaking the glass ceiling if they are elected, by the time of her speech it was moved up to already broken, elected or not..... That's how I recall it at least.

At least according to Wikipedia, the term originally referred to the impossibility of women breaking into top management positions; not necessarily the CEO's spot but executive level. So it is at least arguable that Palin has broken the glass ceiling in the GOP.

 

[RandFan]

Does Palin's comparison to Hilary's breaking of the glass ceiling seem a bit unfair to anyone else?

No not at all. Historic firsts are important. Hillary didn't win but she went further than any other woman has. Geraldine Ferraro was considered ground breaking but her ticket did so poorly I'm not sure how many cracks it made. I wouldn't call Ferraro's run without any value or refuse to compare it to Hillary's accomplishments.

The simple fact that Palin is on the ticket and will be in the public eye as a serious contender could have some very significant ramifications. I'm voting for Obama but I'm pleased Palin is a candidate if not a bit concerned given her religious views.

 

[Brainster]

No not at all. Historic firsts are important. Hillary didn't win but she went further than any other woman has. Geraldine Ferraro was considered ground breaking but her ticket did so poorly I'm not sure how many cracks it made. I wouldn't call Ferraro's run without any value or refuse to compare it to Hillary's accomplishments.

The simple fact that Palin is on the ticket and will be in the public eye as a serious contender could have some very significant ramifications. I'm voting for Obama but I'm pleased Palin is a candidate if not a bit concerned given her religious views.

The interesting difference is that the Ferraro pick was clearly made from a position of weakness. Mondale was way behind and needed to make a splash. McCain, while clearly behind, was within striking distance.

Plus you have to consider the two parties. Women already vote for the Democrats by a good-sized margin while men vote for Republicans; this is commonly referred to as the gender gap. Hence Ferraro was arguably a defensive choice; Palin was arguably an offensive choice (insert snide remark about offensive here).

But Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton being nominated by the Democrats were also offensive choices. The only two Democratic presidents since I was able to vote were white Southern men, possibly the most demonized demographic among liberals possible. Why did they win? Because they could actually turn a Southern state or two blue. Carter actually won all the states of the old South except Florida in 1976. Clinton managed to pull a few former Confederate states into his column in 1992, including Georgia, Louisiana and Arkansas.

Why did Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell get so much attention from the GOP as possible candidates for president/vice president? Because they were offensive choices; blacks vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, and if you can take them just a few percentage points off their regular support for the donks it could be the difference between winning and losing. If they split the black vote it's a rout for the Republicans.

Hence Sarah Palin; she is perfectly poised to fish in Democratic waters. It's a pretty simple argument that everybody understands implicitly. What do you want with a VP candidate? Someone who brings you votes (and better yet, states) that you would not otherwise get.