Joining forums to spam for McCain?

[This is The End]

There are so many Palin threads I'm just going to post this here instead of starting a new one. Also it's a bit late (a week or so). Sorry on both fronts.

Does Palin's comparison to Hilary's breaking of the glass ceiling seem a bit unfair to anyone else? Aside from the frequent suspicions that McCain won't last four years, which I seriously doubt, how is this comparable. Isn't being second in command and not first the entire point of the analogy?

Also, when she was announced as the VP pick they were talking about her breaking the glass ceiling if they are elected, by the time of her speech it was moved up to already broken, elected or not..... That's how I recall it at least.

 

[gtc]

I think it depends on where you think the glass ceiling is currently situated and whether you think running second in a presidential primary is bigger achievement than running for VP in the actual election.

 

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[joobz]

Thanks Joobz and gdnp.

only the truth.

Joobz, I got a little story about your old avatar. I always wondered who that little girl was, crying. Then Rick Santorum (back in late January backstabbed McCain, who had campaigned for him in 2006. So I went surfing around for a good pick of Santorum to post, and discovered who the little girl was. So I commented on the backstabbing on my blog and claimed that was why his daughter was so upset.

I'm not certain what avatar you're referring to.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Thanks Joobz and gdnp. Joobz, I got a little story about your old avatar. I always wondered who that little girl was, crying. Then Rick Santorum (back in late January backstabbed McCain, who had campaigned for him in 2006. So I went surfing around for a good pick of Santorum to post, and discovered who the little girl was. So I commented on the backstabbing on my blog and claimed that was why his daughter was so upset.

Skeptigirl, I accept your apology retraction. I do wish that people would realize that there is no value to astro-turfing a small forum like this. On my political blog I have about 120 people who get my RSS feed and another hundred or so who surf by daily. At SLC I have over 1200 readers per day.

We'll see who's the fantasist come November 4.

I apologize that my OP led you to believe it was directed at you. That's the best I can do.

As for the why bother with small potatoes, the net is full of viral messages and forums perpetuate them. I believe forum spamming is rather commonly done. Heck, when I call someone from the campaign phone bank, that message only goes to a single person. Move-On's made an entire political action organization doing just that.

And I think there is evidence the Palin thing is a fantasy already. But that needs a new thread.


But as long as I've got your attention in this one, what are your views on her position that teaching Creation/ID in science classes should be the norm?

 

[RandFan]

Given that republicans are inherently evil and democrats are inherently decent moral people it's clear that there is a conspiracy. No need to worry about confirmation bias here.

Some day we will free ourselves from conservatives, republicans and neocons.

Sarcasam folks.

 

[Brainster]

only the truth.

I'm not certain what avatar you're referring to.

Maybe I'm mistaking you for another poster here, but it was this photo:

 

[Hokulele]

Maybe I'm mistaking you for another poster here, but it was this photo:

Joobie uses that one, not joobz.

 

[Brainster]

I apologize that my OP led you to believe it was directed at you. That's the best I can do.

As for the why bother with small potatoes, the net is full of viral messages and forums perpetuate them. I believe forum spamming is rather commonly done. Heck, when I call someone from the campaign phone bank, that message only goes to a single person. Move-On's made an entire political action organization doing just that.

And I think there is evidence the Palin thing is a fantasy already. But that needs a new thread.

But as long as I've got your attention in this one, what are your views on her position that teaching Creation/ID in science classes should be the norm?

She clarified the next day that if the topic came up it should be discussed, not that it should be taught. And I note that nobody has found any evidence that she pursued that as an agenda once she was elected governor (or even when she was on the school board).

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

She clarified the next day that if the topic came up it should be discussed, not that it should be taught. And I note that nobody has found any evidence that she pursued that as an agenda once she was elected governor (or even when she was on the school board).

I think you need to look at her church and her participation in it. YouTube has her speaking at her church and it sounds pretty fundie to me.

Here's info on the "Master's Comission, Wasilla AK" Palin is speaking to on the YouTube videos. Check out the trailer.


Maybe she clarified it after being 'minded' but according to this quote she says the typical "teach both".

'Creation science' enters the race

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

 

[Wangler]

I think you need to look at her church and her participation in it. YouTube has her speaking at her church and it sounds pretty fundie to me.

Here's info on the "Master's Comission, Wasilla AK" Palin is speaking to on the YouTube videos. Check out the trailer.

Once again, I think that this link is applicable:

Some of her positions are clear: she's pro-life, opposing abortion in all cases except when the mother's life is in danger. She opposes same-sex marriage and favors teaching creationism alongside evolution in schools. But she hasn't pushed for legislative changes in any of those areas.

That dog just ain't gonna hunt.

 

[PixyMisa]

I think you need to look at her church and her participation in it. YouTube has her speaking at her church and it sounds pretty fundie to me.

Okay, I watched about five minutes of it.

That's not fundamentalist. Not even slightly. That's pretty mainstream. A little more evangelical than some, less than others.

skeptigirl, if you think that's "pretty fundie", you are hugely out of touch with the rest of your country.

 

[Minadin]

I see a lot of new members here with some pretty silly threads claiming McCain slam dunk fantasies. Got me wondering if it was spontaneous or a conspiracy concerted effort?

Loose Change Forums, 1 year ago.

Yeah.

Loose Change Forums, more recently:

 

[Brainster]

I think you need to look at her church and her participation in it. YouTube has her speaking at her church and it sounds pretty fundie to me.

Here's info on the "Master's Comission, Wasilla AK" Palin is speaking to on the YouTube videos. Check out the trailer.


Maybe she clarified it after being 'minded' but according to this quote she says the typical "teach both".

'Creation science' enters the race

Errr, are you seriously suggesting that we compare Palin's church to Obama's? Or do you want us to examine Palin's without any regard to Wright and Fleger?

Let's suppose, for the sake of argument that the McCain Palin ticket wins. What exactly do you expect to happen with regard to creationism and ID? Suppose further that McCain does shuffle off the mortal coil and Palin ascends to the Oval Office. What exactly do you expect to happen with regard to creationism and ID?

And stop pretending that this stuff means the end of the world. If all the kids in the US were taught creationism instead of evolution, the economy would not shatter, the earth would not suddenly wobble on its axis, and the seas would not rise.

I don't like pseudo-science any more than you do. But I also don't see this as a significant issue in the campaign. Obama already has the atheist vote locked up, in all probability, so politically it seems unlikely to cut either way.

 

[PixyMisa]

Obama already has the atheist vote locked up

I wonder if there are statistics on that. I know plenty of atheist conservatives. Most of them have been pretty ticked off with the GOP of late, but they do seem to support Governor Palin.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Brainster, I was getting at the hypocrisy of pronouncing your skeptical work against the 911 truthers while downplaying the issue of teaching kids that evolution is in doubt. Teaching science in science classrooms is a lot more significant than a bunch of nutters holding "911 was an inside job" signs up at a few rallies.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Time will reveal Palin's fundie beliefs. I'll wait and see if my impression is an overreaction or not. I think in the next couple weeks we'll see.

As for whose church is more radical, that depends on which a person views as more or less in line with what they view as normal. They are both radical as far as I see it. The issue I have is not with the church preaching to its own members. The problem is the Evangelicals obsessively trying to remake the world in their image.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Once again, I think that this link is applicable:



That dog just ain't gonna hunt.

Wanna bet?

Palin was raised a devout Christian, attending an Assembly of God church from the age of 4 until she was 38, and baptized in the cold waters of Alaska's Little Beaver Lake when she was 12. (She now attends different churches, one in Wasilla and one in Juneau.) As a child, she went to services on Sundays and Bible class on Wednesdays. She participated in after-school religious groups, and sang in the church choir. Her entry in the Wasilla High School yearbook of her senior year included one quote: "He is the Light and in the Light there is Life."

The Assemblies of God puts great importance in the believer's receiving the Holy Spirit. The faithful sometimes show this by the "gift of tongues"—the babble of holy but unintelligible language that emerges when a believer is said to be caught up in the spirit of God. The practice wasn't encouraged in Palin's church

Also from your link

In Juneau, Palin has given jobs to friends and appointed lobbyists to oversee industries they used to represent. There's nothing illegal about it—that's business as usual in politics. But part of Palin's appeal is that she markets herself as a reformer who fights against cronyism, when in fact her record shows her to be, in many ways, a typical politician who rewards her friends and punishes her enemies.

All in all I found that article pretty milktoasty. Mostly opinion and impressions, very little actual facts considering it was 5 pages long.

 

[mhaze]

Errr, are you seriously suggesting that we compare Palin's church to Obama's?...

Ha!

 

[Wangler]

Wanna bet?

Show me the executive orders she enacted, or any proof that she has attempted to foister her personal beliefs on the opressed liberal electorate.

And what in your excerpted quote from the Newsweek is appicable to her enacting or not enacting legislative changes? not a thing!

Methinks I smell a fail.

Also from your linkAll in all I found that article pretty milktoasty. Mostly opinion and impressions, very little actual facts considering it was 5 pages long.

Are we talking about my Newsweek link, or Obama's Invesco field speech transcript?