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John Edward - psychic or what?

Robin,

First, I am glad you have not abandoned JREF.

Second, could you please not quote long posts in their entirety? Deleting most of RemieV's original post would not have diminished your comment.


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Remie you stated that he paid in cash but I'm curious, you also said that the only people who were allowed to get through were "photographers. Most men I know keep their driver's licence in a pocket with a clear plastic window so they don't have to take it out. When he took it out, to show John Edwards, is that how it was? Also if he purchased anything else in the entire casino and paid with a credit card after he had purchased tickets someone could have seen him. But it would be relatively easy to take picture with a high powered lens.


http://www.ethicapublishing.com/7CH6.htm


One means of surveillance incorporates the use of many small cameras, stowed behind one-way glass surfaces to detect fraudulent acts. These cameras are so well hidden that players are typically unaware of their presence. Additionally, the periodic movement of cameras prevents them from being easily identified, thus keeping cheaters on their toes. At this point in time, the cameras have become so high-tech that they are able to see more than just faces; they can actually see player’s cards (Casino Surveillance).
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Biometrics and Face Scanning

Biometric face scanning is a new technology that is used in casinos as a surveillance mechanism that can link a face with a name – and a personal record. Biometrics is the study of a person’s physiological features and behavioral characteristics. Face scanning is the technology in which people can be identified based on their facial features. This technology works by analyzing a person’s face based on distinguishing features, which include specific proportions and angles that are unique to a person’s face that cannot be hidden by beards, makeup, glasses or hats. This technology recognizes a person by using special security cameras to scan people’s faces and create three-

dimensional images out of multiple two-dimensional scans. The end result is then stored in a database and scanned across the casino records for VIPs, problem gamblers and criminals. If no record is found, the system creates a new account for that person. One of the huge benefits this technology gives casinos is the ability to identify people without having to stop them as they walk through the doors. Dr. Thomas Zielke, vice president of Cross Match Technologies notes, “There is always the question of how to monitor visitors in public areas without significantly limiting access. Identifying the target individuals without denying entry to the unknown public is the key to success, and facial recognition is one of the best ways that this can be achieved” (German Casinos, par. 5). The objective of the technology is to monitor people without disrupting them, but isn’t it important for the visitors to know what they are walking into?

Face Recognition Teams Up With RFID

The use of Face Recognition Systems ties in closely with the use of RFID chips. While the Facial Recognition System creates a profile of an individual, the RFID chips store important data about the individual. Some of this information includes the games that are being played, the amount of money the person is willing to bet and the strategy the individual has been using. All of these statistics are recorded and put into a database that is accessed the next time the individual’s face is recognized. This all leads to more moneymaking opportunities for the casinos. Biometrica Systems, one of the leading providers of face recognition technology to the gaming industry, states that biometrics “[enhances] a casino’s operational intelligence, which can be used to reduce unnecessary losses and drive a more profitable business operation” (Biometrica, par. 1). Casinos have already eliminated losses they used to incur by proactively removing problem gamblers who are identified by the cameras on the casino floor. As a known cheater is identified, a red flag instantly goes off in the surveillance room, signaling that the person is banned from the casino. The casino floor security is notified and the person is immediately removed from the property. With this current level of technology, it is rare that any gambler known to have a prior record of cheating can get any farther than the casino doorway.
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Thanks for the link, Joey Magee.
From the first one:
""The true-believer syndrome merits study by science. What is it that compels a person, past all reason, to believe the unbelievable. How can an otherwise sane individual become so enamored of a fantasy, an imposture, that even after it's exposed in the bright light of day he still clings to it — indeed, clings to it all the harder?… No amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie. — M. Lamar Keene and Allen Spraggett"

Am I surprised Robin still clings to her fridge?
No.

Robin, did you listen to the John Edward radio show posted up by fooledmewunz?
 
As if he even talks about true believer syndrome!

It should be said that at the end of the book it is stated that

I believe in it. I believe that human beings maintain their individuality after death. I believe that we go on to higher and better expressions of ourselves than those which we are now expressing. I believe that evolution, growth, is the whole thing; mankind evolves, it doesn’t regress. I believe that, in spite of all I’ve seen and experienced.

Extrasensory perception and psychic phenomena?
I believe that the individual can have his or her own private psychic experiences-- that there is such a thing as ESP. But when it comes to paying a medium to do it for you-- beware!

Communication with the dead is something I would urge you to avoid-- I mean even the idea of it, the possibility of it. At least through a professional medium. Trying to communicate with the dead has been the downfall of many individuals, as my story amply and tragically reveals.

There is so much in the real world to enchant you, thrill you, elevate you. Why immure yourself in the darkness of the medium’s cabinet where spirits “peep and mutter” and human folly falls prey to human greed?

I believe in life not death. I believe in light not darkness. I believe in the strength that comes from standing on one’s own two feet rather than hobbling on the clutches of a deluded faith in a fraudulent medium.

Find your own way in the uncertainties of life. With God’s help you can do it.
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I think I speak for all of us, who is a fraud, who is a fraud of a fraud, and why the hell do we even think about this. For myself I am amazed at the money they have been able to steal from my family, many others, especially the families of thousands of war veterans during world war two. Houdini comes to mind. Physical mediumship is rare these days, here is an example of a modern one.

http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2008/08/rethinking-david-thompson.html

agh

There aren't enough Houndinis
 
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No one should ever, ever write a book on the exploits of mediums during the wars after the explosion of Spiritualism, lest it give too many ideas. I already know far, far too much.

Here's one of the worst, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Duncan

That's a brutal video, I've seen John Edward live, it left me with a profound sense of sadness.
 
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That case of the woman scamming the relatives of the servicemen aboard HMS Barham wasn't new to me, but worth rereading.

You've assisted one of JE's shows?
Would you say his stage demeanour is similar to what was shown in fooledmewunz' video?
 
I just said I've seen him live, sorry but dunno how you gathered the assisted bit. I had the chance to be there and I went. I did not enjoy myself. I had to leave early because I was so appalled and everyone kept giving me weird looks for being amazed and it was not the time and place to pull up a soap box. But it was exactly the same. He fished so bad it was crazy. It was like, does anyone here have a spouse in that died in the 80s? "Oh me pick me!" there were two hands raised. I laughed out loud and was stared down and just left soon after.

I wrote letters to every producer, manager and owner of that program after that day, all individual, different emails to each, no response. **** sells
 
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Joey McGee said:
I just said I've seen him live, sorry but dunno how you gathered the assisted bit. I had the chance to be there and I went. I did not enjoy myself. I had to leave early because I was so appalled and everyone kept giving me weird looks for being amazed and it was not the time and place to pull up a soap box. But it was exactly the same. He fished so bad it was crazy. It was like, does anyone here have a spouse in that died in the 80s? "Oh me pick me!" there were two hands raised. I laughed out loud and was stared down and just left soon after.

I wrote letters to every producer, manager and owner of that program after that day, all individual, different emails to each, no response. **** sells
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Sorry! Assisted was an unconscious translation from the Spanish word asistir, to be present or attend.
I was listening to the local news and messed up.
Thanks for sharing your story.
 
:D

Did you reckon I had you tarted out in sequins and false eye lashes handing objects to that vicious conman on stage?
 
Breakfast will have to wait an extra hour or so until my stomach calms down!

Easy with the mental pictures game, geez!
 
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Thanks for the link, Joey Magee.
From the first one:
""The true-believer syndrome merits study by science. What is it that compels a person, past all reason, to believe the unbelievable. How can an otherwise sane individual become so enamored of a fantasy, an imposture, that even after it's exposed in the bright light of day he still clings to it — indeed, clings to it all the harder?… No amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie. — M. Lamar Keene and Allen Spraggett"

Am I surprised Robin still clings to her fridge?
No.

Robin, did you listen to the John Edward radio show posted up by fooledmewunz?
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Yes, I watched the clip. It reminded me of the night I saw John Edward... I believe that many people who went to the same John Edward event that I did probably left feeling that John was a little "off" that night. After all, John was completely wrong insisting that my brother had a Valerie Harper connection (and even John said it woud have to mean something more for ex. than just liking the show Rhoda!) And John was completely wrong insisting that someone on my side of the room had a BIG tooth in their pocket. John was adamant on both counts to no avail. If any James Randi followers had been there that night they would view those unvalidated (almost ridiculous) statements as being verification that John was a fake! Oh, John did have another "miss"...he insisted that I, my brother (Occam Jr.) , my Mom (and of course my Dad) had a connection to someone with a hard "G" sounding name. Unfortunately John was wrong...we had no connection to a hard "G" sounding name....none, nada, zilch , zero, we're sure,...sorry John. It wasn't until after the event while we were at the restaurant with despicable "Tooth Guy" that I , my brother, and my Mom miraculously made the connection to the hard "G" sounding name....my other brother, Glenn. And of course his son... Gage! Yup. John does have a phrase to describe what happened to us that night...and it does not include any of the words running through your minds right now : )
John calls it "psychic amnesia" and here is a quote by John on a Larry King show that explains it:
"I have coined the phrase psychic amnesia. That is like the sudden and complete deterioration of the brain when I start talking to someone. They completely forget who they are, who they're related to : ), what their name is, how their friends passed, all that kind of stuff - until after the fact. And then the aha moment comes in."
Psychic amnesia - real. John Edward - real. AHA!
 
"It wasn't until after"

If any one of us sits here and thinks hard about it and maybe forgets and thinks later, we will ALL have a connection to someone with a hard G sounding name.

Which one of you JREFers is playing a big joke and pretending to be this person, sockpuppets are against the rules! ;)
 
Joey McGee said:
"It wasn't until after"

If any one of us sits here and thinks hard about it and maybe forgets and thinks later, we will ALL have a connection to someone with a hard G sounding name.

Which one of you JREFers is playing a big joke and pretending to be this person, sockpuppets are against the rules! ;)
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Not just someone...my brother and nephew. I'm not stretching to make the hard "G" connection as in... oh I had a friend Gabrielle in kindergarten. And I'm SURE if you really sit here and think hard about it you will realize you also have a significant connection to Valerie Harper (one that proves your loved one saw what you were doing a mere few hours before which in turn proves their continued existence) AND if you think really hard you will realize that your sister JUST bought a new refrigerator AND if you think really hard you will realize that your new friend carries a BIG tooth in his pocket. Or NOT. And for the record I will not stand for you calling me a "sock puppet" when I am clearly a "woo." : )
 
I had no idea what kind of power was involved with this gift. With this power and a screwdriver you can take apart a radio.
 
I have a sister, an aunt, an uncle, and a grandfather who all have a seriously hard g in it.

And I'm quite familiar with your delusions since I used to be involved heavily with mediums and completely believed it for years. I have been in many seances and met many mediums and gotten many messages. Yeah even from the really expensive ones. And your pattern detection device is off. You're making coincidences and cold reading into the world. They can't even give you a bloody whole name. They can get a "G" But they can't get a "george brown." because they are cold reading. And you are desperate to believe it. It's sad, sad, sad.

I bet you have a long list of stuff you tell people as your evidence for spirit people. Well I guess you're reciting it here. Just sit and think about it, kind of like the fraudsters who consciously manipulate you say to do, just sit and an alternative explanation for all of these events will come to you later. If you just open your mind to the possibilities. Think of the strange coincidences, they are just patterns in life lining up and you notice them. Think of the strange messages, they picked that information up from your friend or relative or guessed you go "They couldn't have known!" Just, open your mind... open your mind.... why couldn't they give you a birth date but they knew of all of these other details, saying what the spirit is saying word for word but somehow they never knew a name.
 
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