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John Edward - psychic or what?

Lolly said:
If this was a trick, RemieV might get what she's after, if it's the latter, it won't be possible to find out.
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From what I have seen, and even from what RemieV has said, this is not something typical of a Edward performance. So I would doubt that Edward is using some trick, especially some complicated trick. If Edward often got this type of solid result, then I might suspect he was using stooges or investigators or some other type of trick. But he doesn’t.

Edward either:

1. Got a nod and a shake to clue him in that the guy was Joshua and the people at the table didn’t think so.

2. Made a lucky guess.

3. Somehow had information about Joshua.

Because Edward’s act is as a cold reader, I would most suspect that he got some good body language from the people at the table that his guess that the guy was Joshua was wrong and he went with it and ended up right. There is some possibility that Edward just happened to get some information about Joshua and used it in his act. I think it is least likely that Edward had some elaborate trick set up, because that isn’t his act.

Edward’s shtick is cold reading. It is possible that in this case he did a hot read or some trick. There are many ways such a thing could be done. But if Edward ever does that, he does it very rarely which means it would be very difficult to catch him at it.
 
Ok, I'm only at page 3 on this thread so far and if someone has already offered this suggestion, I aplogise. I'll be reading the rest of the thread but I'd like to offer this now.

John Edward sends a minion to the box office and the conversation there goes something like this:

MINION: (to Box office Clerk): "Hey Buddy, you want to earn 50 bucks legally with no trouble?"

BOX OFFICE CLERK: "Maybe. What do I have to do?"

MINION: "I want you to engage one - just any one - customer in conversation. Just get his or her name and where they're from, maybe a few details. Don't be obvious about it, just make it a casual conversation. I'll return here for the info in a couple of days and give you 25 bucks and I'll give you 25 right now. You in?

BOC: "That's it?"

MINION: "That's it."

BOC: "Sure, I can do that, but listen - I have this little digital voice recorder here. You make it a hundred bucks and I'll record the conversation and give you the tape. Deal?"

MINION: "Deal. And if this goes well, and no-one gets to hear of it, it could become a regular thing. I'll be back in a couple of days"

BOC: "Sweet. Hey, Why do you want this? Who do you work for?"

MINION: "For a hundred bucks or more, do you really care?"

BOC: (laughs) "No man, I don't need to know or care. See ya in a couple of days"
 
Reno said:
Ok, I'm only at page 3 on this thread so far and if someone has already offered this suggestion, I aplogise. I'll be reading the rest of the thread but I'd like to offer this now.

John Edward sends a minion to the box office and the conversation there goes something like this:

MINION: (to Box office Clerk): "Hey Buddy, you want to earn 50 bucks legally with no trouble?"

BOX OFFICE CLERK: "Maybe. What do I have to do?"

MINION: "I want you to engage one - just any one - customer in conversation. Just get his or her name and where they're from, maybe a few details. Don't be obvious about it, just make it a casual conversation. I'll return here for the info in a couple of days and give you 25 bucks and I'll give you 25 right now. You in?

BOC: "That's it?"

MINION: "That's it."

BOC: "Sure, I can do that, but listen - I have this little digital voice recorder here. You make it a hundred bucks and I'll record the conversation and give you the tape. Deal?"

MINION: "Deal. And if this goes well, and no-one gets to hear of it, it could become a regular thing. I'll be back in a couple of days"

BOC: "Sweet. Hey, Why do you want this? Who do you work for?"

MINION: "For a hundred bucks or more, do you really care?"

BOC: (laughs) "No man, I don't need to know or care. See ya in a couple of days"
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It doesn't work this way. You would get caught so fast if you did this. He has a subtle method(s).
 
RemieV said:
For the love of all things holy - my point was not that the trick was amazing, but that it was the only reading he gave that had a solid, verifiable FACT within it, hence my use of it as an example.
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Sorry, I'm really not trying to antagonize you. I guess "amazing" was a bad word for me to use. I could have used "unique."

-- Roger
 
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Late to the thread and dredging up a post from several pages back, I know. Sorry. Anyway:

RemieV said:
I'm looking to catch Edward in the act
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To what end? I mean, he's been "caught in the act" any number of times already and it doesn't seem to have done him any harm. He got caught blatantly hot-reading on Dateline NBC over ten years ago, for crying out loud.
 
Steven Howard said:
Late to the thread and dredging up a post from several pages back, I know. Sorry. Anyway:



To what end? I mean, he's been "caught in the act" any number of times already and it doesn't seem to have done him any harm. He got caught blatantly hot-reading on Dateline NBC over ten years ago, for crying out loud.
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Details or link to info?
 
Skeptical Greg said:


It's against forum rules to give away magician's secrets..
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So on what kind of forums could John Edward's secrets be busted, so that people will not have to fall victim to his woopottery? Personally, I believe in exhaustive exposure of all extant frauds and scams. "Psychics" who prey upon people's grief to get money by making them believe that their faked "abilities" are a reality qualify as "frauds and scams" in my book, and nasty, devastating ones at that. Someone should blow the lid on Sylvia Browne's bag of tricks, too, even if this particular forum isn't the right place. Has someone already done that for that latter case? I've seen quite a lot of despising talk about her here.

Anyways, I think that if someone is claiming to have "psychic" powers, they probably don't. If they are making a killing off that claim, then they REALLY probably don't.
 
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Limbo said:
Psi. Face it! Don't let your skepticism become pathological.
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And don't let your belief become "pathological", either. Did you test him to rigorous standards to determine this or did you just swallow his claim because it looked good? There are tons and tons of very false things that look really good! How do you know this is not one of them?
 
RemieV said:
Not only that, but the box office is run by the casino, not by the staff of the show. It is extraordinarily unlikely that, even if Edward's team asked, the casino would cough up a list of attendees.
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You've mentioned this point more than once (and, given that he paid cash, it may be irrelevant to this case, if the the information wasn't there to be shared in the first place), but is there really such a secure firewall between casino and performer? The reason I ask is that in my admittedly very limited experience of Vegas shows, information that was presumably from the box office did appear to be shared. At the Blue Man Group show, before the show started, the display at the front of the stage welcomed various audience members, with information about them. (From the cheers from various parts of the theatre, they were genuine names of people attending. One of them was even a forum member I was there with, but I didn't think to ask him if he knew how they got the information (I wasn't sitting with him).) I don't know if this contradicts what you were saying, but it seems that there may be at least some flow of information from the box office.
 
RemieV said:
For the love of all things holy - my point was not that the trick was amazing, but that it was the only reading he gave that had a solid, verifiable FACT within it, hence my use of it as an example.
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So, the one fact was the name 'Joshua', and that Edwards appeared to point to the table he was on? I think the part about him having introduced himself as 'Liam' has been explained, with Edwards picking up on the reaction of the people at the table. (On my first reading of the OP, I (like others) had thought that Edwards had come up with the name 'Liam' too, as well as 'Joshua', which really would have taken some explaining.)

I see two possibilities; either someone found the name out and passed it on (maybe his wife was with him when he bought the ticket, and called him 'Joshua' at the time, and that information was picked up by someone), or it was a lucky hit, which seems significant to you because you happened to have spoken to him yourself. (How many shows have you been to? How many times do the psychics throw out a name, with a point in vague direction, without getting a hit?) Is it possible there was someone else at that table or an adjacent one who had somehow given away the name 'Joshua', but Liam reacted first? (And in that case, the reaction of the 'real' Joshua might have made it even more obvious to Edwards that a different name had been used by Liam.)
 
Wow this thread just goes on and on and not one has chimed in to answer the initial question;
"John Edwards,psychic or what?"
My vote; "what"
 
kedo1981 said:
Wow this thread just goes on and on and not one has chimed in to answer the initial question;
"John Edwards,psychic or what?"
My vote; "what"
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You obviuosly haven't read the whole thread. Myself and others have answered with a "What".

I believe the question is also rhetorical.
 
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Skeptical Greg said:
338 Responses to a rhetorical question ..

Wow!
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The actual question was - "How did he do it?"

The answer is - "Any one of a myriad of known and understood non-paranprmal means that have been explained in this thread".
 
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