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John Edward - psychic or what?

Resume said:
Why not?
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You have questions.

Somewhere out there are answers.

For the record here was the whole sentence.

It doesn't mean there isn't something to all this, it's absurd to think we know all the secrets of human physiology or what we're capable of.

Anyone who isn't interested merely in badgering people with pointless questions is free to comment on it.
 
batvette said:
It doesn't mean there isn't something to all this, it's absurd to think we know all the secrets of human physiology or what we're capable of.
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No, science doesn't know everything, otherwise . . .

If a phenomenon is claimed to have an material effect, that effect can be measured. If there's "something to all this," it can be measured.

It hasn't.
 
batvette...thank you for posting. I do believe in telepathy as well as after death communication. Here's a combination of both! 2 summers ago my family was going to take a trip to Ocean City...the night before i said a private prayer and invited my Nana and Pop-Pop and Dad(who were all deceased) to go with us and be part of the fun. The day of the road trip my brother Occam Jr, who was in Colorado and couldn't attend, phoned me while we were on the road (without any knowledge of my prayer) and told me he had a unique dream where my Nana and Pop_pop were getting in my car the night before. Doug asked them "What are you doing/" and they responded, "Going on the trip with Robin to Ocean City. Remember we are here for you always." My advice.. listen to your gut..and of course , keep the faith.
 
Robin Stettnisch said:
batvette...thank you for posting. I do believe in telepathy as well as after death communication. Here's a combination of both! 2 summers ago my family was going to take a trip to Ocean City...the night before i said a private prayer and invited my Nana and Pop-Pop and Dad(who were all deceased) to go with us and be part of the fun. The day of the road trip my brother Occam Jr, who was in Colorado and couldn't attend, phoned me while we were on the road (without any knowledge of my prayer) and told me he had a unique dream where my Nana and Pop_pop were getting in my car the night before. Doug asked them "What are you doing/" and they responded, "Going on the trip with Robin to Ocean City. Remember we are here for you always." My advice.. listen to your gut..and of course , keep the faith.
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The Eagles called. They want their Hell Freezes Over Tour back.
 
Robin Stettnisch said:
batvette...thank you for posting. I do believe in telepathy as well as after death communication. Here's a combination of both! 2 summers ago my family was going to take a trip to Ocean City...the night before i said a private prayer and invited my Nana and Pop-Pop and Dad(who were all deceased) to go with us and be part of the fun. The day of the road trip my brother Occam Jr, who was in Colorado and couldn't attend, phoned me while we were on the road (without any knowledge of my prayer) and told me he had a unique dream where my Nana and Pop_pop were getting in my car the night before. Doug asked them "What are you doing/" and they responded, "Going on the trip with Robin to Ocean City. Remember we are here for you always." My advice.. listen to your gut..and of course , keep the faith.
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I'm going to take a guess and figure that falls into this category:

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You and your brother probably miss your parents a lot and have similar thoughts.
 
Resume said:
No, science doesn't know everything, otherwise . . .

If a phenomenon is claimed to have an material effect, that effect can be measured. If there's "something to all this," it can be measured.

It hasn't.
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I see what you mean about material effect but this is where what I was saying about circumstances of its use and purpose might be a factor.
You know those stories about someone in an emergency needs to lift a car off a relative pinned underneath, and they have an instant of "superhuman strength"?
Well I don't know if they did or not but if you sent them to the olympics they aren't going to be able to duplicate that are they?
Best analogy I can muster, and of course that doesn't apply to charlatans and their self promotion of their "abilities".
Outside of those phonies it's possible we were given a tool which we're called upon to use from time to time which won't easily be replicated in controlled laboratory settings. We didn't really need them at that time.

Interestingly enough and possibly of some relation, ever hear of rogue waves? Waves up to 30 meters tall, which had scant few witnesses. For many decades oceanographers were skeptical of their existence as nobody had ever photographed one, though at least several ships and drilling platforms were destroyed by what must have been one. Nobody lived to tell the tale.
A few years ago they developed the satellite technology to cover almost whole oceans 7/24 with radar that can easily resolve such waves, and were surprised to discover they did exist and were more common than imagined.

You couldn't make a rogue wave nor set up a camera and wait for one to happen, you have to be everywhere all the time to catch one when it happens.

And of course that doesn't mean that liars who claimed they saw one weren't liars just as skeptics thought.
 
Batvette,

You are correct that phenomena like you describe are difficult to predict or quantify. But keep in mind that this thread is about John Edward, a self described "Olympic athlete" to use your analogy. He should have no trouble performing on demand. He does it all the time, as does every other person making money as a medium, astrologer, tarot reader, palmist, homeopath, etc..

Amazing things happen all the time, every day somewhere in the world. For now, many of those things are a mystery to science. It is up to people who claim to know the causes of such things to prove their hyposthesis.

Thanks,
Ward
 
wardenclyffe said:
He does it all the time, as does every other person making money as a medium, astrologer, tarot reader, palmist, homeopath, etc..
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To that end he should indeed be able to replicate his claims.
Amazing things happen all the time, every day somewhere in the world. For now, many of those things are a mystery to science. It is up to people who claim to know the causes of such things to prove their hyposthesis.
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Well I know I can't claim to know the cause of telepathy if it in fact exists. I wouldn't claim if a thought popped into my mind that is too fantastic to be coincidence then the cause is telepathy if that's what you mean. Perhaps a fallacious point to pursue would be the idea that proving Edwards or others are charlatans should be proof that telepathy does not exist, and it does seem you recognize that these are two entirely different issues.

(so my bad for offering random thoughts on telepathy in a John Edwards thread)

This does seem to be a sticking point in the whole scope of paranormal phenomenon, that frauds have long been the most obvious promoters, and that it's long been treated as something too fantastic to be believed because of it- when in the end it may be no more fantastic than salmon spawning or homing pigeons' navigation. We may just lack the telemetry to properly evaluate it and won't be able to do so until we reveal the mechanics.
 
batvette said:
This does seem to be a sticking point in the whole scope of paranormal phenomenon, that frauds have long been the most obvious promoters, and that it's long been treated as something too fantastic to be believed because of it- when in the end it may be no more fantastic than salmon spawning or homing pigeons' navigation. We may just lack the telemetry to properly evaluate it and won't be able to do so until we reveal the mechanics.
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We didn't need to reveal the mechanics of salmon spawning or homing pigeons' navigation to observe that salmon spawned and that homing pigeons managed to find their way home. The first step is always to establish that a phenomenon actually exists - if it doesn't exist then speculating about a mechanism by which it might exist, whilst sometimes fun, is ultimately pointless.

Telepathy, psychics etc are still at that first step. So far careful investigation has revealed nothing to suggest that they are real phenomena which require a previously unsuspected mechanism to explain them.
 
batvette said:
I'm going to take a guess and figure that falls into this category:

forums randi org/showthread.php?t=236327

You and your brother probably miss your parents a lot and have similar thoughts.
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Batvette, My brother had the dream the same night I said my private prayer. My brother told me he NEVER dreamt of our Nana and Pop-Pop before that night. I never spoke to anyone about inviting my deceased loved ones to come on a trip with us. And I psychically already know the responses to this...it's just a coincidence. Oy vey.
 
Robin Stettnisch said:
Batvette, My brother had the dream the same night I said my private prayer. My brother told me he NEVER dreamt of our Nana and Pop-Pop before that night. I never spoke to anyone about inviting my deceased loved ones to come on a trip with us. And I psychically already know the responses to this...it's just a coincidence. Oy vey.
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You invited your Dad too. Why didn't your brother dream about him?
 
Tell you what Robin I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that you’re telling the truth, but every body else who makes claims like yours is a baldfaced lying piece filth (but not you)!
As to John Edwards his fraudulent practices have been so well documented there is no reason to even consider he as anything but a “what”.
If it's real then it's provable, do that, or shut up.
 
Robin Stettnisch said:
Batvette, My brother had the dream the same night I said my private prayer. My brother told me he NEVER dreamt of our Nana and Pop-Pop before that night. I never spoke to anyone about inviting my deceased loved ones to come on a trip with us. And I psychically already know the responses to this...it's just a coincidence. Oy vey.
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Not just a coincedence but an anecdote about a coincedence.
 
batvette said:
not that I would attempt to assume or defend Robin's position but seems to me the quotes furnished from the vatican, the bible, etc, forbidding or advising against use of mediums or other paranormal means, do not disprove paranormal means but may even be argued as validating them.
It might be said Edwards could have some telepathic abilities and be a charlatan and con man at the same time. Telepathic abilities would not be the same as communicating with the dead, and as I understand it there have been some breakthroughs in research by credible individuals on the probable mechanisms of telepathic communication between humans. We accept whales communicate over long distance, we accept homing pidgeons navigate long distances, we accept salmon returning to spawn over great distances, it's not absurd to believe humans have a mechanism to do similar fantastic things that only function in our subconscious state- and some rare individuals may have more abilities than others. Perhaps they then abuse it to make a living.
I disbelieve most paranormal, with the exception of telepathy and similar phenomenon, I have some personal experiences to convince myself but of course know that's worth about 2 cents to anyone else.
If anyone is familiar with the research of Jose Silva they may understand why clinical documentation is nearly impossible. When it happens the mind and body must be in an extremely relaxed state.
As for atheism well it's not hard to conclude organized religion is bull huckey, but arguing there is no God is not much different than arguing there is. I guess that would all depend on what form one would allow God to take for the argument. God as a bearded old guy who created everything in 7 days? Or God as a life form more advanced than ours and may exist on a plane or dimension we have not yet truly revealed?
Ultimately it's not likely the God of the Bible is real because he'd be furious with all the humans using his identity to screw over other humans- however it could be said religion is good because it simply offers hope that there is something better in our future than what we experienced for 70 odd years here- and with this kind of hope humans can endure the worst of conditions.
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Batvette....time to put in your 2 cents...what were your personal experiences? I would love to hear them and everyone else will love attempting to tear them apart..a win-win!
 
Robin Stettnisch said:
...it's just a coincidence.
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"That a particular specified event or coincidence will occur is very unlikely. That some astonishing unspecified events will occur is certain. That is why remarkable coincidences are noted in hindsight, not predicted with foresight."--David G. Myers
 
Pixel42 said:
"That a particular specified event or coincidence will occur is very unlikely. That some astonishing unspecified events will occur is certain. That is why remarkable coincidences are noted in hindsight, not predicted with foresight."--David G. Myers
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Pixel42, please provide a bibliographic (or internet or whatever) reference for this quotation.

Thanks.

ETA. Never mind. I found enough information.
 
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