Jogging in Georgia while black.

[TurkeysGhost]

The work sites are usually cleared out by the end of the day at open sites, and I doubt that even locked and fenced sites people don't secure their tools when they're not around. When contractors do work at the facility I work in, they secure their tools before they leave for the day, and this is in a building.
Nobody wants their expensive tools stolen.

Contractors probably worry about their tools getting lifted by other contractors more so than just random passerbys. The few workers I've known that own their own personal tools often had the habit of engraving all of them to ensure there were no "accidental" mixups at the shop with their bosses or coworkers trying to walk off with their expensive tool set.

 

[Belz...]

Just curious: do you see your own lies or have you developed a blind spot to them?

Actually he's describing an oft-observed trend in threads like this.

From page one, I have called this a cold blooded murder, and have not wavered an inch.

Plausible deniability?

 

[Belz...]

I look at it more like "I agree she was raped, and it was horrible, but we have to know what she was wearing at the time and how hard she fought back.'

The correct answer is 'She was raped, and it was horrible' full stop.

Right. There's nothing wrong per se about discussing mitigation of risk for certain crimes, etc. But the fact that 'what was she wearing' seems to be the first thing that comes up when discussing a rape that actually occured seems to indicate that there's another reason behind the question, just like 'oh, but he might be doing drugs' always comes up when police kill a black guy. It might be something worth discussing in and of itself, but the fact that it always immediately pops up in these discussions makes it seem like it's a race-bias excuse to justify the crime in question.

 

[Belz...]

This is also a part of a pattern we've seen on this forum for at least a decade - for some reason it's extremely important to know that the victim, when black, was not an absolute perfect being crafted by some god

To be fair, it's hard to compete with Djimon Hounsou in that department.

 

[Belz...]

Whoa. That's a pretty wild diversion. Has anyone suggested that black people need to modify behavior?

Well it has at least seemed to be suggested that they need to become actual, serious runners.

 

[Belz...]

I've learned over the years that "I focus all of my attention on something, but that doesn't actually mean I think it is more important" is something people talk themselves into actually believing.

I must admit that it happens to me more often than I'd like.

 

[Belz...]

As a thought experiment, let's speculate. What would have happened had Arbery been a proper subservient black man and acquiesced to his pursuers demand to be illegally detained?

How would that shake out? He might still be alive. Then again, I very much doubt that once Arbery stopped, this self-appointed anti-theft squad would let him leave. They're carrying firearms, and once he realized they intended to interrogate him about a crime or otherwise arrest him, he may well have tried to leave and still ended up dead after a violent scuffle.

Then again, maybe he's especially servile, a real Georgia ideal of the black specimen, and he simply accepts this amateur arrest without resistance. What happens then?

Depends on the hour. Is the slave market open?

 

[Thermal]

Well it has at least seemed to be suggested that they need to become actual, serious runners.

You could save a lot of posting effort if you changed your sig to "Thermal once made a slightly hyperbolic, though factually accurate claim, that made no difference whatsoever in context". I can recommend a tattoo artist if you like.

 

[Thermal]

Cannot be overstated enough that these three killers had already gotten away with their crime until release of the cell phone video caused a public outcry.

The whole murder was successfully swept under the rug as a "self defense" killing of a man fleeing a lawful citizen's arrest. Had Roddie not taken the video, or had the video not escaped to the public, all three men would be free today and Arbery would officially be known as a violent criminal who caused his own death.

This was my page one question: who was filming and why? We know it was Roddy now, but the *why* is still up in the air, as well as why he released it long after he walked away Scott-free.

Assuming the OP vid was the only video he took, that means he likely knew the climax was coming, and not just another unknown leg of an interminable slow-mo car chase. Does that mean there was some communication between the McMicheals and Roddy that it was Showtime? That would show heavy culpability on Roddys part, that he was specifically documenting this one part only, like he knew in advance that these specific seconds would be significant enough to document.

Releasing the vid to the public via his proxy is harder to explain. Attack of conscience? Foolish desire for fame? I can't make sense of it.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

This was my page one question: who was filming and why? We know it was Roddy now, but the *why* is still up in the air, as well as why he released it long after he walked away Scott-free.

Assuming the OP vid was the only video he took, that means he likely knew the climax was coming, and not just another unknown leg of an interminable slow-mo car chase. Does that mean there was some communication between the McMicheals and Roddy that it was Showtime? That would show heavy culpability on Roddys part, that he was specifically documenting this one part only, like he knew in advance that these specific seconds would be significant enough to document.

Releasing the vid to the public via his proxy is harder to explain. Attack of conscience? Foolish desire for fame? I can't make sense of it.

The transcript shows that there was more video from Roddy that preceded the actual shooting that wasn't released to the public, so it seems he started taking video shortly after he became involved.

It seems pretty clear that our 3 murderers believed that they were in the right to try to illegally detain Arbery, and that everything that followed was covered under that initial right to arrest Arbery. To their eye, they did nothing wrong and had nothing to hide.

Why exactly Roddy would share this vid is a mystery. I suppose there's an element of "look at this crazy thing that happened" that may have been at play. Roddy himself may have felt that he was more a witness rather than an active and culpable participant and not realized he was putting himself at such risk.

I'd be interested to see what the timeline of the video release was. If it became clear to our killers that the police were not going to treat it as murder, I could see how Roddy might feel it was safe to start showing off his snuff film.

 

[Thermal]

The transcript shows that there was more video from Roddy that preceeded the actual shooting, so it seems he started taking video shortly after he became involved.

It seems pretty clear that our 3 murderers believed that they were in the right to try to illegally detain Arbery, and that everything that followed was covered under that initial right to arrest Arbery. To their eye, they did nothing wrong and had nothing to hide.

Why exactly Roddy would share this vid is a mystery. I suppose there's an element of "look at this crazy thing that happened" that may have been at play. Roddy himself may have felt that he was more a witness rather than an active and culpable participant.

I'd be interested to see what the timeline of the video release was. If it became clear to our killers that the police were not going to treat it as murder, I could see how Roddy might feel it was safe to start showing off his snuff film.

If there was significantly more video, the proxy lawyer who released it (IIRC) may have edited out a lot of The Chase. Perhaps because it showed the alleged hitting Arbery with the truck? That would be bad for the Rod, in terms of him covering up a demonstrable violent vehicular assault, that he witnessed but didn't report. Might explain why he went from being treated as helpful snitch to co-conspirator, in the eyes of the prosecutor.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I thought it was pretty clear that I was referring specifically and directly about my own observations in my area.

It was. To me at least.

 

[Thermal]

It was. To me at least.

Hey, get with the program. We gots a "harp on posters relentlessly for irrelevant bull ****" theme going on here.

 

[Dr. Keith]

This was my page one question: who was filming and why? We know it was Roddy now, but the *why* is still up in the air, as well as why he released it long after he walked away Scott-free.

Assuming the OP vid was the only video he took, that means he likely knew the climax was coming, and not just another unknown leg of an interminable slow-mo car chase. Does that mean there was some communication between the McMicheals and Roddy that it was Showtime? That would show heavy culpability on Roddys part, that he was specifically documenting this one part only, like he knew in advance that these specific seconds would be significant enough to document.

Releasing the vid to the public via his proxy is harder to explain. Attack of conscience? Foolish desire for fame? I can't make sense of it.

To be fair, their assumptions were being confirmed by local authorities. They thought they were in the right and the DA seemed to agree. What would the righteous defenders of Georgia property owners have to hide?

 

[Dr. Keith]

Hey, get with the program. We gots a "harp on posters relentlessly for irrelevant bull ****" theme going on here.

I'm at least a mile behind. Give me four minutes and I'll try to catch up.

 

[Darat]

To be fair, their assumptions were being confirmed by local authorities. They thought they were in the right and the DA seemed to agree. What would the righteous defenders of Georgia property owners have to hide?

Not being confirmed actually confirmed, they and the police and the DA didn’t see anything wrong with what happened.So why not release the video showing them being upright members of the community protecting their streets from thieves? I expect they thought they’d be praised once the video was released.

 

[Thermal]

To be fair, their assumptions were being confirmed by local authorities. They thought they were in the right and the DA seemed to agree. What would the righteous defenders of Georgia property owners have to hide?

I guess I'm viewing them as thinking they got away with it, more than actually believing they were in the right. Sort of like I don't think anyone soberly believed that ex-President Trump had any business in the nation's highest office, but more went drunk on the Lulz of it.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I guess I'm viewing them as thinking they got away with it, more than actually believing they were in the right. Sort of like I don't think anyone soberly believed that ex-President Trump had any business in the nation's highest office, but more went drunk on the Lulz of it.

I very much doubt that they feel they did anything wrong even now. They undoubtedly understand their legal jeopardy and probably wish they hadn't done this purely for practical reasons, but I doubt they think what they did was unjust or immoral.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Not being confirmed actually confirmed, they and the police and the DA didn’t see anything wrong with what happened.So why not release the video showing them being upright members of the community protecting their streets from thieves? I expect they thought they’d be praised once the video was released.

Agreed in whole, with one minor reservation.

It has been some time, but I thought some of the police on the scene thought that there should be an arrest but that the DA stepped in and stopped any further investigation or arrest. I could be wrong, but I thought that some of the police actually had a spine, but the DA stepped in.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I very much doubt that they feel they did anything wrong even now. They undoubtedly understand their legal jeopardy and probably wish they hadn't done this way purely for practical reasons, but I doubt they think what they did was unjust or immoral.

I imagine many of their friends and family agree that they did nothing wrong. Hell, almost half the state may agree.