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Cont: Jogging in Georgia while black - The Trial

Craig4 said:
I know it's dangerous to predict what juries will do. That said, in a hate crimes trial, being quoted as saying you wish all black people would die and then you kill a black person, well, I'm not loving their chances here.
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The amount of very specific evidence showing their racial animus and desire to enact extrajudicial violence really shines the attempt for the feds to plead out in a bad light. There really doesn't seem to be much downside to taking this one to trial.

I could see how taking a hate crime trial with someone who is generically racist could be tricky, but the evidence here shows that these killers very clearly articulating a racist desire to do violence very similar to what ended up happening. It's about as good as a prosecutor could hope for short of having the killers specifically premeditate the victim by name.
 
I am a bit surprised that none of this came out during the murder trial. I know it wasn't a requirement and not really the angle they were going for, but it's still info that would make a jury less sympathetic.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I am a bit surprised that none of this came out during the murder trial. I know it wasn't a requirement and not really the angle they were going for, but it's still info that would make a jury less sympathetic.
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Are we sure that would be the case for some members?
 
JoeMorgue said:
I am a bit surprised that none of this came out during the murder trial. I know it wasn't a requirement and not really the angle they were going for, but it's still info that would make a jury less sympathetic.
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I wonder how much of that would be allowed since racial animus was not a factor that had to be proven in any of the charges brought in state court.

I suppose I'm also sympathetic to the prosecutors keeping their approach simple and narrowly focused on the acts, rather than the intentions, of the 3 murderers. The cross examination of the younger McMichael was already devastating to his defense case and it solely focused on the extreme carelessness and lawlessness of their pursuit and "arrest" attempt.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I am a bit surprised that none of this came out during the murder trial. I know it wasn't a requirement and not really the angle they were going for, but it's still info that would make a jury less sympathetic.
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Yea but as it was not specifically relevant to the laws that they were being tried for, it seems likely it would be prejudicial for the jury to hear such things.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Yea but as it was not specifically relevant to the laws that they were being tried for, it seems likely it would be prejudicial for the jury to hear such things.
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I'd agree. Plus it dangers distorting the trial. They illegally killed a man. Bringing a lot of explicitly racist motivation into it risks allowing the defense to try to make it not about self -defense but about whether the motivation was racist and take the trial off the rails.
 
Hopefully the prosecutor who sat on the case originally will be in prison by the 3rd anniversary.
 
Did we ever find out how fast Arbury should have been able to run to save these upstanding, fine, community minded gentlemen from having to kill him?
 
Darat said:
Did we ever find out how fast Arbury should have been able to run to save these upstanding, fine, community minded gentlemen from having to kill him?
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I imagine being convicted of a hate crime counts as a point in favor that "jogging while black" was a fair portrayal of the incident.
 
But the important thing to remember is that it is vitally important that we keep the libruls from overplaying the race card.
 
Darat said:
Did we ever find out how fast Arbury should have been able to run to save these upstanding, fine, community minded gentlemen from having to kill him?
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Either that or how meekly he should have submitted to letting them apprehend him.
 
Darat said:
Did we ever find out how fast Arbury should have been able to run to save these upstanding, fine, community minded gentlemen from having to kill him?
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Come on Darat. You're better than this. You know the argument was simply that he was not exhausted from racing for his life, as claimed. He was moving pretty slowly. That shows that Arbery was likely not as timid and cowed as posters here like to think of him.
 
Thermal said:
Come on Darat. You're better than this. You know the argument was simply that he was not exhausted from racing for his life, as claimed. He was moving pretty slowly. That shows that Arbery was likely not as timid and cowed as posters here like to think of him.
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Yes, you've pointed out many times that we will never really be certain of what Arbery thought about the illegal attempt to arrest him immediately preceding his murder. I think most everyone in the thread is still trying to figure out what significance you find in this.

He was being menaced by two trucks and two gunmen who clearly didn't have anything nice planned for him. Was he scared, tired, pissed off? Was his final charge at his murderer an act of desperation or an act of indignation? Who knows, because he died before he could say. Does it really matter?
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
I imagine being convicted of a hate crime counts as a point in favor that "jogging while black" was a fair portrayal of the incident.
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For the record

Borne out as correct: Those who claimed he was murdered by a bunch of rednecks
Not correct: those who disagreed with that assessment
 
Well what's really important is that nobody describe a murdered in cold blood in broad daylight black man as being any more tired then he actually was. Yes that was the real tragedy of the Arbury case, we all see that now.

Jesus Christ is the gift basket this board gives out for "Dumbest Hill Defended" really that good? Does it come with like little bottles of champagne, some fine chocolate, maybe a chartreuse board, like a 3 month Netflix gift card? Do you get a parking space right outside the door to the board?
 
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