Cont: Jogging in Georgia while black - The Trial

Shepherd said:
plague311, here is a link to a news report that shows some surveillance video from a house across the street from the one under construction which Arbery had apparently entered. In it they've highlighted the two individuals believed to be both Arbery and the first (I think) 911 caller. Obviously, the caller was able to see Arbery from where he was standing, and so it would appear that Arbery should have been able to see the him also.

"Surveillance video appears to show Ahmaud Arbery minutes before his death | WSB-TV - Youtube"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5THIjKra1Q
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I've seen it, but everything after him seeing Arbery is hearsay and not relevant at all. No one knows if Arbery saw him, or if Arbery even cared. Arbery wasn't being particularly stealthy, and he'd been to the place 3 times previously. Why would he be worried about being spotted? He hadn't stolen anything, plenty of other people had walked through the house, there wasn't anything to be concerned about.

Like I said before, even if Arbery did see him and it caused Arbery to leave. Who cares? The McMichael's didn't know that, and it's their behavior we're looking at in the case. Arbery is not on trial.
 
Here is a CNN article that does a really good job of laying out the case so far. When I had mentioned the judge's frustration, here is one instance I was referring to:

"I don't know why I am so confused," Jason Sheffield, attorney for defendant Travis McMichael, muttered.

"I don't care whether you like my rulings or not or you like me or not," Judge Timothy Walmsley said. "But in this court, the Superior Court, it is axiomatic that counsel show at least respect for what the court is doing. And what you just did shows a lack of respect for what the court is trying to do here, which is create an environment which is fair to all parties."
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It also confirms the McMichael's had no idea what was going on that day with Arbery:

But at that time, neither had any knowledge Arbery had done anything wrong, nor that he had been on the construction site, Dunikoski said.
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Apparently the father had touched Arbery after the shooting. He pulled out Arbery's arm to check for a weapon, which there wasn't.

It also confirms that Arbery never took anything, but I do have to correct myself. The owner of the house did, in fact, reach out to the police and complain about people accessing the property:

Prosecutors showed the jury surveillance videos of Arbery entering the site, each time wandering around and leaving without incident. Other people had also been present on the property, Dunikoski noted. The homeowner had contacted police about the issue several times, Dunikoski said, but told them Arbery -- who was unidentified at the time -- had never taken anything.
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All-in-all every single witness seems to be worse and worse for the McMichael's.
 
Because the Arbery's, and by extension their lawyer, have the exact same mentality as many here.

"What did I do wrong? He was the wrong type of person in the wrong place. That's completely obvious to me. Why are you asking me all these questions about this or that? He was in the wrong place! Don't you get it? We have a right to keep 'them' out of our neighborhoods."

Their racism is so ingrained in the their very souls that they can't describe it.
 
Ronnie's attorney up just basically pounding repeatedly that he wasn't proud of what happened, he never said anything racist, never swore, never bragged, and only tried to slow Arbery (which hitting him with your car would do, I guess).

Looks like, as someone mentioned, they're gearing up to throw everyone else under the bus. The equivalent of "he was just following orders".
 
The defence is trying to get evidence introduced by the back door, that has previously been ruled inadmissible. The prosecutor is on to their game.

ETA: and the judge is having none of it.
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
I am not aware of any reason to believe that Arbery's race played any particular role in this event.

It may have played a similar role to if the person they'd been on the lookout for had been a redheaded man who was unusually thin, or something like that. Him being black, of a particular age, etc. may have simply been something that helped distinguish him from other people seen around the area.

I've heard that defendant Bryan claimed that Travis McMichael said something with the N word in it after shooting Arbery, but I am not sure what credence to give his statements. He seems to have gone into a back-stab to save his own skin type of posture at one point.

Whether Arbery's race played the kind of role in their appraisal of him that you are implying or not, they were correct about him. He had been trespassing there, and had a history of criminality. To try to stop him and question him seems to me to be completely reasonable.

They find themselves in the situation they do now, due entirely to a combination of Arbery's irrational violent reaction and society's irrational posture currently toward cases like this. There's a reason they weren't charged for a while, and it's the same reason Zimmerman wasn't charged for a good long while.

Some people talk about drumming up attention for these cases and getting Benjamin Crump types involved as something to be proud of. Like "we drew attention to this and got the justice system to do the right thing!" but in reality it's cases that shouldn't be brought, ending up being brought to appease irrational, ignorant mobs which are comprised of the people who are most racially tribalistic in these matters out of anyone.
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I hope the jurors know that the county has only a limited ability to keep their information secret.
 
Sceptic Tank said:
I am not aware of any reason to believe that Arbery's race played any particular role in this event.
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Then you are blind to reality.

If you really believe that Cletus, Bubba and Billybob would have armed themselves up and chased a white jogger around the neighbourhood with their Pick-up trucks then you are utterly delusional.
 
Today has only been watching Larry English testify in Sept. of 2021.

Larry English Jr. testified in the September deposition that surveillance footage at his property near Brunswick, Georgia, captured people on the property several times in late 2019 and early 2020, and in some instances he called 911 about the intrusions.
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Ages apparently ranged from kids to older couples:

Early in the deposition, English talked a prosecutor through at least three instances when video recorded people on the property -- two children during the day; a Black man at night in October 2019; and two people English described as a White couple at night in November 2019.
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Prosecution is pointing out that "a black man" was on the property, and stuff in his boat was stolen. I'm not sure why because they've already confirmed the stuff that was stolen from his boat was when his boat was at a different location.
 
Craig4 said:
I hope the jurors know that the county has only a limited ability to keep their information secret.
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I haven't followed this case much, but comments like this truly astonish me. You're not even the first one to say something like this. Please clarify, are you really saying you're hoping that the jury members know their lives and livelihoods are in danger if they reach the "wrong" verdict? And that that's a good thing?
 
Lawyer accidentally reveals secret master plan to influence jurors by dressing people up in Colonel Sanders costumes. More at eleven.
 
Ron Obvious said:
I haven't followed this case much, but comments like this truly astonish me. You're not even the first one to say something like this. Please clarify, are you really saying you're hoping that the jury members know their lives and livelihoods are in danger if they reach the "wrong" verdict? And that that's a good thing?
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I think in terms of end states, centers of gravity and key vulnerabilities for those centers of gravity. My desired end state is that the three defendants be held accountable for a lynching. As long as that happens, I don't care about the methods.
 
I'm starting to feel like maybe even the prime strategy of Roddie's lawyer is to win on appeal. That's what all the motions for mistrial and weird objections about the number of "Bubbas" in the jury pool and "black pastors" in the courtroom and so on are all about. He's just coming up with anything that he can later use on appeal.
 
If we're being honest, the only realistic outcome in this case is that they're guilty of murder. I haven't watched every single moment, but I've definitely watched enough. There's no way these guys aren't guilty of murder.

They're currently playing a bodycam video of police checking the property the time that Travis McMichael said he shined a light on a black man that stuck his hands down his pants, making Travis think he has a gun. Prosecution is kind of playing everything to get ahead of it I guess.

The cop on his body cam said, "I think he's actually a light skinned black boy". Gotta love Georgia
 
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Apparently some guns and other items were stolen out of a jeep. Those thefts were blamed on Arbery, but they're showing stills from the security camera the night the stuff was stolen and it was a white guy.

ETA: I can definitely say that the women I've seen prosecuting this case have been top notch. Not a bumbling moron like in the Rittenhouse case.
 
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plague311 said:
Apparently some guns and other items were stolen out of a jeep. Those thefts were blamed on Arbery, but they're showing stills from the security camera the night the stuff was stolen and it was a white guy.
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That must be a black man in "white face"!
 
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