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Jobs That AI Will Replace. Very Soon!

That's why my real theory is that (on a timeframe worth discussing here) the Rembrants and the Hemingways and the Marlon Brandos of the world don't have anything to worry about.

The journeyman artists; the guy who writes commercial jingles, the dude who does background art for LEGO sets, the attractive but down to Earth mom on the Yogurt Commercial, their days might be numbered.
 
Plus, half the time, GPs are simply talking to people. Meeting a human is important for most patients. However, an AI system could chew over symptoms and test results and spot cases of diseases that the ordinary seldom meets and thus may not think of.

Hans


Except that, at least around here, we already don't have enough GPs to meet the demand. Current doctors are burning out and leaving the profession, and our archaic training program isn't meeting the demand for new doctors.

An AI that I can get an appointment with is far better than not having a regular doctor at all.
 
I don't see AI as replacing creative work, but being a tool people can use creatively when they lack the actual skills to implement their vision.



No one look at my avatar!

But yes, this is the way. "Creativity" doesn't necessarily go hand-in-hand with technical competence. Sure, the AI might be able to make a picture with the "marmot flipping burgers" et al., but would it ever conceive of the idea of burger-flipping marmots in the first place?
 
As my local GP does minor surgery (removing skin-tags and so on), innoculations, takes blood for blood-tests, does (necessary) hands-on examinations, I don't see GPs being replaced in the near future.

Plus, half the time, GPs are simply talking to people. Meeting a human is important for most patients. However, an AI system could chew over symptoms and test results and spot cases of diseases that the ordinary seldom meets and thus may not think of.

Hans

Agree with both of these. Not sure I would be trusting an AI to check my prostate.
 
Except that, at least around here, we already don't have enough GPs to meet the demand. Current doctors are burning out and leaving the profession, and our archaic training program isn't meeting the demand for new doctors.

An AI that I can get an appointment with is far better than not having a regular doctor at all.

I can easily envisage AI as the entry level to a GP and even specialists. You list your symptoms, initial tests are made, and at this point a fair portion of patients will simply get a prescription. Only the more complex cases, the surgical cases, or the ones with a significant psychological factor are sent on to a human doctor. .. And some are actually sent to some kind of therapist, instead.

Hans
 
I can easily envisage AI as the entry level to a GP and even specialists. You list your symptoms, initial tests are made, and at this point a fair portion of patients will simply get a prescription. Only the more complex cases, the surgical cases, or the ones with a significant psychological factor are sent on to a human doctor. .. And some are actually sent to some kind of therapist, instead.

Someone at my workplace is actually attempting to set up something along these lines. Not AI, but wants to get "all the symptoms" of every patient visit in the database, then use those to steer the patient to particular doctors "who treat those symptoms". It's not going to work because "symptoms" aren't recorded at all -- patient "reason for visit" isn't symptoms, and diagnoses aren't symptoms, and I won't even get started on the madness of attempting to connect a provider's board certifications to a patient's visit. Healthcare is more complicated than people think. Healthcare data is much more complicated than people think. However complicated you think it is, multiply it. Then multiply it again. And once more. It's never as easy as it sounds from outside.
 
Even simple things like reminders no longer being a sterile "You have a reminder to take your tablets" it becomes "Marjorie don't forget in half an hour you'll need to take your heart tablets" and "That TV programme you liked about the chimpanzee, there's a new episode on tomorrow, should we watch that?"

Good idea, and very positive. Would also be able to summon help when needed.

Depends on what the worker actually does. Do you think "office worker" is a single job? What do you think people do in offices? I've held several different jobs in offices, doing very different things. Some of those things could be automated, perhaps, but not all of them.

I'm using the generic term because there are so many of them. Accountants will redundant, legal executives likewise. Policy analysts, help desk and order-takers... I couldn't even begin to list all of the types of jobs that can be replaced by AI.

I feel like some are thinking "AI = Data from Star Trek" which may be true one day in the future, but right now AI doesn't even match the ship's computer on Star Trek and that computer was quite stupid. Couldn't even figure out what temperature to serve drinking water or memorize Picard's normal tea order!

I'm thinking more a computer doing it all rather than robotics. Humanoid robots' big opportunity is in age care, where the number of old farts needing care is far outstripping the ability to find people to wipe arses for minimum wage.

The other thing is, they don't need to be smarter or faster than a human except at one task. Thing of a robotic welder - it's useless for welding steel pipes in a factory, but 100 times more productive at manufacturing petrol tanks than a human.
 
Someone at my workplace is actually attempting to set up something along these lines. Not AI, but wants to get "all the symptoms" of every patient visit in the database, then use those to steer the patient to particular doctors "who treat those symptoms". It's not going to work because "symptoms" aren't recorded at all -- patient "reason for visit" isn't symptoms, and diagnoses aren't symptoms, and I won't even get started on the madness of attempting to connect a provider's board certifications to a patient's visit. Healthcare is more complicated than people think. Healthcare data is much more complicated than people think. However complicated you think it is, multiply it. Then multiply it again. And once more. It's never as easy as it sounds from outside.

Oh, I quite agree. Just like battle-plans, no computer application survives the first confrontation with reality. ... Which is really a good thing.

Hans
 
They've also looking at automating Bias response since 2020...


Studies have shown that implicit bias—the automatic, and often unintentional, associations people have in their minds about groups of people—is ubiquitous in the workplace, and can hurt not just employees, but also a company’s bottom line.

For example, employees who perceive bias are nearly three times as likely to be disengaged at work, and the cost of disengagement to employers isn’t cheap—to the tune of $450 billion to $550 billion a year. Despite the growing adoption of implicit bias training, some in the field of human resources have raised doubts about its effectiveness in improving diversity and inclusion within organizations.

But what if a smart device, similar to the Amazon Alexa, could tell when your boss inadvertently left a female colleague out of an important decision, or made her feel that her perspective wasn’t valued?


https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/01/29/how-about-a-smart-device-that-could-catch-implicit-bias-in-the-workplace/
 
https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/FhiAjB6R2xsww3QxDIf0

(Sadly I hit the character limit and could only get about 1/4th of the prompt actually in there.)

ETA: I assumed it was obvious but just to check all the marks in accordance with the new rules, the link is to an AI created image from the NightCafe AI.
It's not entirely clear, but I think the trunk-generating rules need tweaking.

Of course you never know how long it will take for this stuff to be perfected. My vote is that it will be driven by porn, and happen faster than you expect.
 
I guess they are good for explaining what is wrong with gamers in a bitchy female voice from what I have heard.

I have read a few responses and now realize this is not where the thread is going. I was looking up ai girlfriend and it sounds not ready for prime time
 
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Depends on what the worker actually does. Do you think "office worker" is a single job? What do you think people do in offices? I've held several different jobs in offices, doing very different things. Some of those things could be automated, perhaps, but not all of them.

I feel like some are thinking "AI = Data from Star Trek" which may be true one day in the future, but right now AI doesn't even match the ship's computer on Star Trek and that computer was quite stupid. Couldn't even figure out what temperature to serve drinking water or memorize Picard's normal tea order!

I always saw that one as Picard's inability to use the technology...

The only thing he could get out of replicators was 'Earl Grey Hot', so he relied on turning up at crew member's quarters at meal times, or ate at ten forward or one of the messes.

Painted a portrait of an aging Captain who was completely out of his depth with all the technology around him...

The crew were fond of him in a 'that old uncle' kind of way, so did their best to carry him...
 
Someone at my workplace is actually attempting to set up something along these lines. Not AI, but wants to get "all the symptoms" of every patient visit in the database, then use those to steer the patient to particular doctors "who treat those symptoms". It's not going to work because "symptoms" aren't recorded at all -- patient "reason for visit" isn't symptoms, and diagnoses aren't symptoms, and I won't even get started on the madness of attempting to connect a provider's board certifications to a patient's visit. Healthcare is more complicated than people think. Healthcare data is much more complicated than people think. However complicated you think it is, multiply it. Then multiply it again. And once more. It's never as easy as it sounds from outside.

A computer program to diagnose a patient's issues could work, but only if it is done right. Doctors would have to give heaps of feedback before it would work in reality. Once it does work, it would be enormously powerful.
 
A computer program to diagnose a patient's issues could work, but only if it is done right. Doctors would have to give heaps of feedback before it would work in reality. Once it does work, it would be enormously powerful.
I don't see why doctors would need to give heaps of feedback. Clinical trials would be more important. There's already a fair amount of diagnostic software (AI and otherwise) in the world. Some researchers at MIT have recently developed a neural network capable of early detection of Parkinson's from analysis of breathing patterns. Notably, this isn't replacing anybody or anything; it's providing a diagnostic service that could not be done at all before.

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I do find it funny that in the movie Her, from all of ten years ago, Joaquin Phoenix's near-future job is whore-poet: he writes nice personalized notes on behalf of other people in greeting cards, a job that I suppose somebody thought would be AI-proof, but in reality would already be on the verge of extinction if there had ever been a market for it in the first place.

Anyway, when I was a kid I kind of dreaded a world where strong AI would replace us. Now I consider that preferable to the dumbtopia where bedazzled technophiles insisted that weak AI should.
 
I can easily envisage AI as the entry level to a GP and even specialists. You list your symptoms, initial tests are made, and at this point a fair portion of patients will simply get a prescription. Only the more complex cases, the surgical cases, or the ones with a significant psychological factor are sent on to a human doctor. .. And some are actually sent to some kind of therapist, instead.

Hans

Maybe, but one of the current failures of the UK GP system is that GPs don't have the time to talk to, and reassure, people who may be unwell, may be lonely and so on. "Old fashioned" GPs had the time to do this (presumably because lifespans were shorter in old fashioned times). My late father was a "frequent flier" at the local GP surgery because he was the perfect storm of loneliness and lifelong hypochondria.

Unfortunately AI may not be able to help with this too much. These patients want to speak, at length, to a human - which may be one reason why alternative therapists are so popular.
 
I think there will be new jobs, but some people will necessarily get shafted just as the Luddites did. Retraining sounds good on paper, but an agoraphobe will be hard pressed to succeed in a "people job" if that's suddenly the only game in town.
 
This can go here.
 

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Bill Gates today on AI:

No matter what, the subject of AIs will dominate the public discussion for the foreseeable future. I want to suggest three principles that should guide that conversation.

First, we should try to balance fears about the downsides of AI—which are understandable and valid—with its ability to improve people’s lives. To make the most of this remarkable new technology, we’ll need to both guard against the risks and spread the benefits to as many people as possible.

Second, market forces won’t naturally produce AI products and services that help the poorest. The opposite is more likely. With reliable funding and the right policies, governments and philanthropy can ensure that AIs are used to reduce inequity. Just as the world needs its brightest people focused on its biggest problems, we will need to focus the world’s best AIs on its biggest problems.

Although we shouldn’t wait for this to happen, it’s interesting to think about whether artificial intelligence would ever identify inequity and try to reduce it. Do you need to have a sense of morality in order to see inequity, or would a purely rational AI also see it? If it did recognize inequity, what would it suggest that we do about it?

Finally, we should keep in mind that we’re only at the beginning of what AI can accomplish. Whatever limitations it has today will be gone before we know it.

https://www.gatesnotes.com/The-Age-of-AI-Has-Begun
 
Maybe, but one of the current failures of the UK GP system is that GPs don't have the time to talk to, and reassure, people who may be unwell, may be lonely and so on. "Old fashioned" GPs had the time to do this (presumably because lifespans were shorter in old fashioned times). My late father was a "frequent flier" at the local GP surgery because he was the perfect storm of loneliness and lifelong hypochondria.

Unfortunately AI may not be able to help with this too much. These patients want to speak, at length, to a human - which may be one reason why alternative therapists are so popular.

I'd challenge that - I think they'd be happy with chatting to anything* that responded to them with sympathy and support. I really do think the ability to "chat" with people is an area where AI can make immense improvements in people's life without "doing" anything.


*Look at how many pet owners talk to their animals and even have conversations with them!
 

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