Merged Jim Callahan's MDC claim

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The Skeptic's Bible said:
I'm more than willing to give Jim the benefit of the doubt, providing he has the intention of applying for the challenge. However I won't continue to waste my time if it becomes clear that this is merely a game.
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Here's a game: try holding your breath until Jim actually states a testable claim that qualifies for the MDC. If you think that might be too long to hold your breath then just try to guess which will happen first- Jim stating a testable claim that qualifies for the MDC or the sun dying.
 
In post #43, Jim said he wouldn't apply for the MDC. Has something changed since then?

I will not be sending in an application for the MDC.

Jim
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Jim Callahan and The Professor are entertainers. They hint that they have paranormal abilities, but don't explicitly say so. I assume that's because they don't have such powers. If so, it wouldn't be hard to demonstrate (in a way that would rule out trickery).

Jim and/or Dave: What, if any, supernatural or paranormal abilities do you have? I wonder if, for a moment, you could set aside the MDC and protocols, and just tell us, in simple and direct terms, what paranormal abilities you have. If you won't specify that, could you just tell us if you have paranormal abilities or not?
 
Jim I have allready given an answer to your question in this thread.

My response is in part why I think the entire JREF Challenege is a con.

-Jim

H.o.A-X
 
Jim,
Is your claim that I can put an object into a sealed box, give it to someone who doesn't know that the object is, who then shows the box to you and you can tell what the object is?
 
Jim Callahan said:
JMy response is in part why I think the entire JREF Challenege is a con.
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Yes yes, we've heard this song before. JREF will not allow the MDC to be won. So sue them already. Oh wait ... you don't want to risk the immense negative publicity if you're wrong. But you're Jim Callahan -- you cannot be wrong. So I guess we'll be seeing you in court then?
 
exactly what con is going on?

Its simple; since hte challenge allows the CHALLENGER to map out the task: create the situation, to test your PARANORMAL ability .

If you can past this test, without ANY other possiblity of explaining what had happened, you win the Million dollars.

THE CHAllenger designs the challenge; so the only con that would be going on is the challenger designing the challenge to be a con.
 
Jim means(I gather)what he does is normal to him therefore it's not paranormal.He makes his own rules.

Reaidng between the lines he is saying "Its a magic trick"
 
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Azrael 5 said:
Jim means(I gather)what he does is normal to him therefore it's not paranormal.He makes his own rules.

Reaidng between the lines he is saying "Its a magic trick"
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Yes, it's quite a snore, really. He can do it, he is normal, thus it is not paranormal.

Bork bork der floo di paranormal undercurrents der bork bork bork.

This meatball is overcooked.
 
Bob Klase said:
Here's a game: try holding your breath until Jim actually states a testable claim that qualifies for the MDC. If you think that might be too long to hold your breath then just try to guess which will happen first- Jim stating a testable claim that qualifies for the MDC or the sun dying.
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I would give the sun dying a slight edge. The only purpose for this thread that I can see is to entertain us, and he is failing at that. Sorry Jim, I think the Prof did a better job.
 
Ok. Final mod box before this thread is closed for multiple breaches.
After some discussion in the mod area and with the JREF, several posts have been edited and/or removed from this thread for a breach of rule 5 on a linked site. This site, specifically the 'jobs for the dead' area, is not to be linked again, and should not be discussed for the reasons relating to rule 5:
You will not post anything that demonstrates a clear and present danger to the welfare of another person, or otherwise tends to create alarm or apprehension that the welfare of any person is in imminent jeopardy.
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Please do not discuss this mod box either, as you know that moderation issues should be discussed in the approriate section.

When the thread started, it was in anticipation of a protocol for Jim undertaking the MDC. He has indicated that he will not be submitting himself for testing, so the thread was moved to the GS&P section as appropriate for more general discussion of Jim's claims. Please try to remember this, and keep the thread on topic. It is not a free for all to insult each other, and it is not for a discussion of what's happening at the Magic Cafe. In fact, some of this discussion would be better being held at that board instead of here.

To continue this thread, and prevent it's closure, you need to stay civil to each other, and you need to post on topic - examining the claims made by Jim (apart from any that may breach rule 5).

Thank you all for your patience, and assistance with this, and any feedback tha has been sent to the mod team.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero
 
Thanks chillzero.

In that case, I'm going to request that we turn our attention (for now) to point number one in Jim's conditions for his MDC protocol,

"Test to take place in a public entertainment venue & may be televised live."

As I mentioned in post #420, this seems to be the only stumbling block for Jim's application. Can anyone see any reason why, if required by Jim for the test, this could not happen? Considering Rosemary Hunter's test was broadcast over the Internet, I don't see why, based on the test he is proposing, Jim's couldn't be as well.

Chris
 
As I mentioned in post #420, this seems to be the only stumbling block for Jim's application. Can anyone see any reason why, if required by Jim for the test, this could not happen?
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I'm confused. Did Jim change his mind about applying? Jim said he wouldn't apply earlier in this thread (post #43).
 
Jackalgirl said:
I watched the whole Phenomenon performance (including the Chris Angel / Jim Callahan confrontation).

Once again, I am struck by a sense of the participant missing the obvious.

It seems to me that if you don't like Chris Angel, or think he's some flavor of bigot (or all-around jerk), the best way to crush him would be to accept his challenge and pass.

I mean, if you're actually able to talk to a dead guy who can see into enclosed boxes and/or envelopes, then why not just say to Chris: "Okay. You're on. Hang onto your envelope and let me get my salt circle repaired." If the process of being "invested" by the dead guy is so physically taxing that you can only handle it once per day, why not just say to Chris: "Okay. You're on. I need a day to recover from the physical stress of dealing with my dead guy. Hang on to your envelope and I'll meet you again here tomorrow."

Just do it, and the critic is silenced much more effectively than by you acting like you are in a druken rage (and becoming physically violent, to boot).

In regards to a test, I think that it would be best to have a better randomizer in place than a person's preferences. I don't think that the 1 out of 100 object-pool-option used in Phenomenon was a bad idea, but I would want to make sure that the protocol controls for access to the pool (especially after the object was chosen).

However, trying to come up with a protocol is not going to be very productive given Jim's cryptic remarks, when what's needed is a clear list of the types of things that Mr. Hill is and isn't capable of doing.
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WOW JG, I honestly thought you were a cut above the rest ..... Didn't you get the MEMO!!!

Jim Callahan DID take Criss Angel up on his challenge (Documented on the NBC site) and Criss Angel did NOT produce the million dollars OR reveal what was in the envelope on his next MINDFREAK show. (As he had promised) Remember that?

Now YOU look ignorant of the facts.
Sorry about your luck!

As I said ... I thought you were smarter than the rest .. My mistake!
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The Professor said:
Jim Callahan DID take Criss Angel up on his challenge (Documented on the NBC site) and Criss Angel did NOT produce the million dollars OR reveal what was in the envelope on his next MINDFREAK show. (As he had promised) Remember that?
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Yes, that would be confusing as Callahan on his website makes a great bluster about how he did accept Angel's challenge and would easily win while here he meekly stated that he never said he would be able to discern the contents of the envelope. That doesn't sound like someone who was being honest. We have lots of examples of dishonesty by Callahan in this threa regarding his claims so why should we take anything he says seriously?

As I said ... I thought you were smarter than the rest .. My mistake!
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Mr. Koenig, you will notice that the moderators have issued a final warning regarding civility. I hope it is not your intention to have this thread closed.
 
The Professor said:
WOW JG, I honestly thought you were a cut above the rest ..... Didn't you get the MEMO!!!

Jim Callahan DID take Criss Angel up on his challenge (Documented on the NBC site) and Criss Angel did NOT produce the million dollars OR reveal what was in the envelope on his next MINDFREAK show. (As he had promised) Remember that?

Now YOU look ignorant of the facts.
Sorry about your luck!

As I said ... I thought you were smarter than the rest .. My mistake!
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Remind me again which act you were on the show? :rolleyes:

Oh that's right you weren't good enough!!! I got that MEMO!
 
RoboTimbo said:
Post #388 Jimtron. His unequivocal statement is that he will take the JREF MDC.

His equivocating actions say otherwise.
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You are incorrect and as those who are attempting to help realize I am proceeding forward.

At this time we are assessing the true viability of this taking place so as not to waste anyone’s time.
The process of reworking my original challenge to the JREF is also underway.

I would suggest if others can not post on topic they should not post to this thread.

In addition it might be suggested that until progress is made from my side in solidifying some details there is no reason for anyone to post.

Questions about this experiment will be answered but only if they are on topic.
But as stated above I really see no reason until some things are worked out.
(This may take from a few days to a week I suspect)

Chris 'Skeptic Bible' is helping with some of this.

Anyway I am sorry if this post sounds edgy and I also say sorry for the tone I took with some of you.
At times I forget myself.

Best Wishes,

Jim
 
Challenge to the JREF? You've got to be kidding me. You're so clueless.
 
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