Merged Jim Callahan's MDC claim

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Object is a stuffed chicken
Description is two legs, wings.
Is that a hit? No judgment is allowed. Answer must be obvious.

keyword multi choice answer.
 
If I may, here is the clip where Callahan got, for lack of a better phrase, "uber pwnd" by Criss Angel, for those newcomers who don't know who this man is:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8kAdZcbfiGY

"A flare of honesty." Heh! Good ol' Uri. Silly men.

Wow. First time I've gone to look at YouTube for this (though I've read of it) and all I can say is...was Callahan drunk? He sure seemed like it.
 
A protocol should be simple. Just let him do what he did on Phenomenon, with a slight difference. While he is located in a place where he cannot see the box, have someone go shopping, buy any single thing he or she wants to buy, and place that thing into the box. That way, there is no "select from these pre-determined objects". It would be truly random, as the person could decide on pretty much anything that would fit into the box, and the box could be any arbitrary size, including the size of a warehouse, so that the object purchased (or even rented, for an expensive item) could be placed within the walls of the enclosure. Then, all he has to do is describe the object contained within the containment area.

That is an excellent idea, TSC. It will be interesting trying to get some response from him on this when he returns. You'll notice that every time he's been asked about knowing the item from those that remain, he evades the point.
 
Change object to word and we may have a method.

If he can say what word is then it is a hit. Anything else is a miss.

Guessing from the way he went completely silent after I suggested he use his ability to tell us the name of my father written on a piece of paper and sealed in an envelope with salt, I think such a proposal will get a similar response.
 
It is important to understand that Jim essentially admits inadvertantly that he has no communication with the dead and a connection to Raymond Hill is not the means to the discovery of a hidden target.

From his own site on the section regarding his test protocols:

I have been informed that Mr. Randi has placed an object in a box or locker (someone sent me a link to the JREF bulletin board where mention was made of it). The object inside is the target for either a psychic or remote viewer to divine and their ability to do so would prove paranormal ability.

I do well with puzzles of this type. That is what this is to me- just a puzzle. Controlling the nature of reality to one's own benefit or desire can be viewed as just that. It also may be viewed as paranormal ability I suppose. But my offer and intent is not to argue dictionary definitions.

http://www.jimclass.com/Bid_for_$1,000,000.00.htm

I think what you haver there is a big tell into understanding what he does to discern the object. It's not in line at all with what he claims. He says that a very physically dangerous and taxing link is formed between him and the deceased Raymond Hill. He says that through him via automatic writing when Jim has given himself over to Raymond that Raymond refers to the object by some of its basic characteristics. There's no puzzle in that claim at all. He makes himself a meat puppet for Raymond and Raymond does everything for him while nearly sending him to the hospital.

What you have above is Callahan admitting that the performance is a puzzle and one that he enjoys. Through the understanding that he is discerning the target object by the awareness of him or someone associated with him of the remaining objects the statements he makes there are quite telling.
 
Someone on Cafe did offer to match Jim's $5,000 and test him under Jim's own rules(one box,one shot)he still declined!

Wondering what the "Physical trauma" Jim underwent on Phenomenon was? Keep heairng about it-from him of course.A grazed elbow? Dirty knees? Dented ego?! ;)
 
Someone on Cafe did offer to match Jim's $5,000 and test him under Jim's own rules(one box,one shot)he still declined!

Azrael, I've only just started perusing the Callahan threads at the Magic Cafe forum. Do you remember where you saw that and if so could you provide a link? I hah a hunch that even if you went by Jim's rules, you'd still get nowhere.
 
Azrael, I've only just started perusing the Callahan threads at the Magic Cafe forum. Do you remember where you saw that and if so could you provide a link? I hah a hunch that even if you went by Jim's rules, you'd still get nowhere.

Blimey,not sure,I was reading a set of links Jimtron provided;I'll try find it.

ETA: Found link:http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=105421&forum=15&start=90

It's three-quarters of way down page>member Chad Sanborn.Also he offered 25K not 5k as I stated previous.
 
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I watched the whole Phenomenon performance (including the Chris Angel / Jim Callahan confrontation).

Once again, I am struck by a sense of the participant missing the obvious.

It seems to me that if you don't like Chris Angel, or think he's some flavor of bigot (or all-around jerk), the best way to crush him would be to accept his challenge and pass.

I mean, if you're actually able to talk to a dead guy who can see into enclosed boxes and/or envelopes, then why not just say to Chris: "Okay. You're on. Hang onto your envelope and let me get my salt circle repaired." If the process of being "invested" by the dead guy is so physically taxing that you can only handle it once per day, why not just say to Chris: "Okay. You're on. I need a day to recover from the physical stress of dealing with my dead guy. Hang on to your envelope and I'll meet you again here tomorrow."

Just do it, and the critic is silenced much more effectively than by you acting like you are in a druken rage (and becoming physically violent, to boot).

In regards to a test, I think that it would be best to have a better randomizer in place than a person's preferences. I don't think that the 1 out of 100 object-pool-option used in Phenomenon was a bad idea, but I would want to make sure that the protocol controls for access to the pool (especially after the object was chosen).

However, trying to come up with a protocol is not going to be very productive given Jim's cryptic remarks, when what's needed is a clear list of the types of things that Mr. Hill is and isn't capable of doing.
 
Blimey,not sure,I was reading a set of links Jimtron provided;I'll try find it.

ETA: Found link:http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=105421&forum=15&start=90

It's three-quarters of way down page>member Chad Sanborn.Also he offered 25K not 5k as I stated previous.

Thank you, Azrael. That is just fantastic, shining Callahan. Chad Sanborn accepts Callahan's $25K offer with $25K of his own. He makes three separate offers. Jim posts the next post only a few hours later and completely ignores him. Sanborn goes to Jim's site himself and registers to the forum with the offer. Again Jim makes the next post a number of hours later ignoring Sanborn. Again Sanborn extends his offer. His post is immediately followed by a mildly positive post by another member to Jim to which he responds very soon after. Jim never once acknowledges the offer.

What does this say about Callahan? Holy cow, Jim! Someone accepted your offer on your terms and would meet you cash fo cash. $25K easy. Your the one that keeps talking about these gaurantees and when someone took you up on it you did the frightened turtle.

It just makes me feel warm and fuzzy knowing how this shows you for the scammer you are. Mmmmm... roast Callahan.
 
That's the thing with these people. It only takes one of them to prove their ability, and the floodgates will be opened for all other kinds of paranormal possibilities. No longer with so-called psychics be so scrutinized, and disbelieved.

But of course, these things do not exist, and Jim is just yet another person trying to dodge the bullet.
 
Just answer one simple question Jim.If trickery is removed from the performance as seen on Phenomenon-can you still perform it?
I beleve a second Cafe member Holly Mental called you on this also recently.
 
If trickery is removed from the performance as seen on Phenomenon-can you still perform it?

He has already answered this in post #377 when he said that his performance includes elements that lack a significant scientific explanation. Thus, in his mind, no trickery is involved.
 
He has already answered this in post #377 when he said that his performance includes elements that lack a significant scientific explanation. Thus, in his mind, no trickery is involved.

Hmm. I, for one, find no "significant scientific explanation", why there are people taken in by cheesy magic tricks and continue to insist they are "real magic". Could this be the element in the Paranormalist, master magician, and creator of Applied Thought Technologies stage act?

;)
 
Jim has stated very clearly that this whole thing -- hinting at taking the MDC, arguing semantics with everyone -- is just some form of "performance art".

Jim Callahan said:
On this forum we are talking about a piece thought provocing performance art based in reality. (My reality to be specific)
TheMagicCafe.com - Jim Callahan's MDC thread

Every comment/response becomes part of his "performance".
 
Wow, I just watched the Phenomenon clip for the first time. It was sort of like watching a Joe Cocker performance, except:

1. Joe Cocker never made me burst out in laughter when he performed,
2. Joe Cocker does something entertaining despite his contortions,
3. I would watch a Joe Cocker performance again.
 
I posted my thoughts regarding Jim's challenge in the last couple of days over at The Magic Cafe. Thought it would be appropriate for this thread too.

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Jim Callahans Test Protocols


Randi's Response - Swift October 26, 2007




  • Test to take place in a public entertainment venue & may be televised live.

I can't imagine why, other than for purposes of self promotion. I can't see why the test couldn't be held in an entertainment venue, but my first question to Jim would be does there have to be an audience? Perhaps it could be broadcast online, as was the Rosemary Hunter preliminary challenge? Having said that, considering your test requires the discerning of unknown information, there are far to many ways to transmit information secretly, and I expect that whilst your test would be recorded, it would not be broadcast "live".


  • Five examiners to control the area of testing.

Randi has agreed. No problem.


  • If Mr. Randi participates he may not speak with me directly for 12 hours prior to the test or while participating in it.

Randi is not involved in the testing, so this is irrelevant.


  • I will submit to interviews with Mr. Randi or his representatives at any mutually convenient time prior to the test if it is deemed necessary.

So you'll be required to do some interviews or perhaps have a couple of meetings. So what?


  • All verbal communications will be recorded.

Randi has agreed to this, so no problem.


  • Mr. Randi may speak directly to me as soon as test is complete.

He won't be present, so this is again, irrelevant.


  • Mr. Randi or his representative must bring a cashiers check for $10,000.00 or cash and will immediately hand over said sum in the event I am successful.

Rule number 9, of the 16 rules of the challenge.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html
9. At the formal test, in advance, an independent person will be placed in charge of a personal check from James Randi for US$10,000. In the event that the claimant is successful under the agreed-upon terms and conditions, that check shall be immediately surrendered to the claimant, and within ten days the James Randi Educational Foundation will pay to the claimant the remainder of the reward, for a total of US$1,000,000. One million dollars in negotiable bonds is held by an investment firm in New York, in the "James Randi Educational Foundation Prize Account" as surety for the prize funds. Validation of this account and its current status may be obtained by contacting the Foundation by telephone, fax, or e-mail.

Jim's condition above appears to match one of the challenge rules, so no worries there.


  • I will have the $5,000.00 in cash and it will be immediately surrendered if I am not successful.

You are not required to put up any money to take the MDC, so we can essentially eliminate this condition.


  • Judgment to be rendered within 10 minutes of test completion.

Test results must be self evident, and will be known immediately at the completion of the test. If you say you can discern the contents of a locked box and perhaps name a pack of cards and the box is opened to reveal a pack of cards, you win. There is no "judgement" necessary.


Out of Jim's nine conditions, it appears that only one of them is going to be a proverbial stumbling block, and that is condition number one. Jim has said that he will elaborate more over the coming days.

I'm more than willing to give Jim the benefit of the doubt, providing he has the intention of applying for the challenge. However I won't continue to waste my time if it becomes clear that this is merely a game.

I would also like to suggest that people (from both sides of the argument) are a touch more civil towards one another. The personal attacks and snide comments really aren't necessary.

Cheers,

Chris
 
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