JFK's assassination: your thoughts

[Tomtomkent]

There are assassination-related reasons for Oswald to try and get a job at the Clinton Asylum. There are no gay reasons for that trip. .

But there are gay reasons for his choice of company.

There are also non-conspiracy reasons for his attempts to get a job, and no reason to assume that the conspiracy reasons are true.

People can be gay, and can do things that evidence their relationships with out the relationship being their reason for their actions.

For example, if one of my friends wanted to go to a job interview, or shopping, or to the theatre in the company of her girlfriend she need not do those things because she was gay. But by going with her partner may be evidence of her sexual status.

She is entitled to want a job, a new dress, or a night out with out "gay reasons".

Welcome to the twenty first century.

 

[Robrob]

There are assassination-related reasons for Oswald to try and get a job at the Clinton Asylum. There are no gay reasons for that trip.

Ferrie told Garrison's investigation their subpeona would make him a dead man. The commonality is clearly assassination-related vs gay.

Read DiEugenio's 'Destiny Betrayed'. It uses ARRB information to exonerate Garrison.

Just because Oswald was gay doesn't mean he couldn't still be a secret undercover CIA double agent.

Why does it bother you?

 

[Robert Morrow]

LBJ Did It. See Roger Stone's blockbuster new book, which will be the book of the year in JFK research and change how history is written: http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Who-K...F8&qid=1380518279&sr=8-1&keywords=roger+stone

 

[Dcdrac]

What another book that is going to change how history is written, as in abandoning any attempt to find any hard evidence and present what ifs and possiblys as the facts?

 

[RoboTimbo]

Oswald first tried to kill General Walker thus proving that Oswald was capable of doing what history has proven happened in actual fact. Oswald alone planned and carried out the assassination of JFK. Oswald then murdered officer Tippit during his getaway attempt. No wannabe has ever refuted those two things or any of the myriad others which prove Oswald was the lone assassin. Slam dunk!

Read the Warren Report.

 

[Dcdrac]

The warren report can be read here

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/

 

[halleyscomet]

LBJ Did It. See Roger Stone's blockbuster new book, which will be the book of the year in JFK research and change how history is written: http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Who-K...F8&qid=1380518279&sr=8-1&keywords=roger+stone

What was LBJ's connection to Bill Clinton?

 

[Steve]

What was LBJ's connection to Bill Clinton?

Bill, I am your father! /Vader

 

[ladmo]

Oswald first tried to kill General Walker thus proving that Oswald was capable of doing what history has proven happened in actual fact. Oswald alone planned and carried out the assassination of JFK. Oswald then murdered officer Tippit during his getaway attempt. No wannabe has ever refuted those two things or any of the myriad others which prove Oswald was the lone assassin. Slam dunk!

Read the Warren Report.

The Warren Commission Report is an edited compilation of opinions and facts. Not all of the Commissioners agreed with the final product...

 

[JayUtah]

The Warren Commission Report is an edited compilation of opinions and facts.

Yes, that's typical of any report issued by a commission tasked with investigating an occurrence and determining its cause. What relevance does this characterization have to any argument you may have made or want to make?

Not all of the Commissioners agreed with the final product...

Did any of the commissioners agree with any conspiracy theory you have proposed or endorsed?

 

[ladmo]

Yes, that's typical of any report issued by a commission tasked with investigating an occurrence and determining its cause. What relevance does this characterization have to any argument you may have made or want to make?

Just stating the obvious.

Did any of the commissioners agree with any conspiracy theory you have proposed or endorsed?

and what conspiracy theory have I proposed?

 

[JayUtah]

Just stating the obvious.

Obvious observation is obvious.

...and what conspiracy theory have I proposed?

I vaguely recall that you may have, which is why I also added "endorse" to my question.

Group dynamics are what they are. Even the highest court of the land allows its members to publish dissenting views, although they don't change the outcome of the court's decision. Given that any group of people is unlikely to agree entirely on anything they've been tasked to decide, do you believe there's any relevant significance to any dissenting personal beliefs among the Warren Commission members?

I ask not to provoke a hornet's nest of debate, but because that is a wedge the JFK conspiracy theorists habitually employ to try to discredit the commission's findings. If you plan to go down that path, best to state the plan up front. If not, then I'm perfectly happy with the proposition that the Warren commissioners may have harbored individual doubts and disagreements.

 

[BStrong]

Oswald first tried to kill General Walker thus proving that Oswald was capable of doing what history has proven happened in actual fact. Oswald alone planned and carried out the assassination of JFK. Oswald then murdered officer Tippit during his getaway attempt. No wannabe has ever refuted those two things or any of the myriad others which prove Oswald was the lone assassin. Slam dunk!

Read the Warren Report.

LHO's shooting of Walker is an example that demonstrates a very common characteristic of the escalation of homicidal behavior.

Actor commits a serious assault with or without using a weapon and does not kill his victim.

Next time out the actor is successful.

One of my initial problems with LHO as the shooter was that at the time of the assassination and shortly thereafter there was no public knowledge of LHO's earlier assassination attempt on Walker, and LHO sure wasn't a shooting war vet, so I was skeptical about his ability to pull off the shooting.

Later information along with getting some training under my belt made me look at the evidence with different eyes.

ETA - I must note that the poll results have again reflected the inability for the CT hawkers to make a convincing case for their Hollywood fantasy version of the events in Dallas.

The score card now stands at 132-2.

 

[ladmo]

Obvious observation is obvious.



I vaguely recall that you may have, which is why I also added "endorse" to my question.

Group dynamics are what they are. Even the highest court of the land allows its members to publish dissenting views, although they don't change the outcome of the court's decision. Given that any group of people is unlikely to agree entirely on anything they've been tasked to decide, do you believe there's any relevant significance to any dissenting personal beliefs among the Warren Commission members?

I ask not to provoke a hornet's nest of debate, but because that is a wedge the JFK conspiracy theorists habitually employ to try to discredit the commission's findings. If you plan to go down that path, best to state the plan up front. If not, then I'm perfectly happy with the proposition that the Warren commissioners may have harbored individual doubts and disagreements.

I am in agreement with you, I only attempted to point out that it was not a collective rubber stamp on the Report. SCOTUS will have dissenting views but a 5-4 split is still a ruling in favor of the 5.

 

[JayUtah]

I am in agreement with you, I only attempted to point out that it was not a collective rubber stamp on the Report. SCOTUS will have dissenting views but a 5-4 split is still a ruling in favor of the 5.

Well, thank you for the lesson in group dynamics. What does this have to do with the Kennedy assassination?

 

[ladmo]

Well, thank you for the lesson in group dynamics. What does this have to do with the Kennedy assassination?

Nothing other than the Warren Commission releasing a report while not all members may agree with the final results it is nonetheless a product of the group.

 

[JayUtah]

Nothing other than the Warren Commission releasing a report while not all members may agree with the final results it is nonetheless a product of the group.

Would it be fair then to summarize your position by saying that the Warren Commission did not behave any differently in this respect than any other group of people when asked to come to a group conclusion? Anything out of the ordinary here? Anything unexpected? Anything nefarious, noteworthy, or remarkable?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

ladmo, please tell me you're not heading down the path of: Why should I believe the Warren Commission? Not even all of them agreed with it!

 

[BStrong]

As of this date/time, 134 - 2 w/ LHO as lone shooter over the CIA fantasy.

It seems like a certain poster doesn't have the indisputable evidence of conspiracy they assert.

 

[Jetblast]

LHO's shooting of Walker is an example that demonstrates a very common characteristic of the escalation of homicidal behavior.

Read DiEugenio. Walker himself said the bullet he saw at the scene did not match the one in evidence.

A boy lived nearby. After hearing the shot he saw two men run to a car and take off.