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JFK assassination debate

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When it comes to information on this event, there's only 4 reliable sources.
The Warren Commission Report, the Zapruder film, the House Subcommittee on Assassinations Report, and Case Closed, which looks at all of it.
The MacAdams site is the best on-line source for opinion.
ALL the rest of the literature and on-line stuff is -crap-, and should be tossed in the sewers it belongs in.
What isn't fabricated and distorted is the product of disturbed minds, and is interesting only if one cares to see how far people will go for money or chasing fantasies.
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What about books like Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi, and some of the documentaries like the ABC one where they used computer animations to show how the shot lined up.

Also, I feel like an idiot, but I thought your avatar was a real bug and tried to squish it, and when that didn't work I thought it was inside my screen.
 
grandthefttoaster said:
What about books like Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi, and some of the documentaries like the ABC one where they used computer animations to show how the shot lined up.

Also, I feel like an idiot, but I thought your avatar was a real bug and tried to squish it, and when that didn't work I thought it was inside my screen.
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I would have no qualms about recommending Bugliosi's boik, from what I know of him and what I've read about the book.
Computer simulations are good guides. I built up a full-scale model of Dealey Plaza using AutoCAD in 1993, which let me go to any spot in the area and view the situation as the motorcade moved along.
MOF, John Woo used one of my illustrations in his tv series "To Catch A Thief" way back when.
Dale Brown's is the best I can recall.
There have been a couple of verifications using real live bullets etc. for the shots.
But to get grounded in the event, the 4 sources recommended should be obtained first, to see what the Warren Commission really found out.. not distortions like Lane's "Magic bullet", claiming the Report says the bullet zig-zagged.
It doesn't.
That's one cue as to the worthless of any publication. If the zig-zag bullet is presented as fact, the book will be a collection of similar lies.
 
"Mortal Error" demonstrated how the bullet that passed through Kennedy's throat and wounded Connally was neither 'magic' nor 'pristine'.
 
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What about books like Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi, and some of the documentaries like the ABC one where they used computer animations to show how the shot lined up.
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Another good one is 'With Malice' which concentrates solely on Oswald's shooting Officer Tippet. I shows unmistakably all the evidence that Oswald did the deed. This is crucial because Tippet's murder is what lead to Oswald being caught and the buffs have been trying for decades to try and cast doubts on what is essentially an open-and-shut case. Once you have Oswald killing Tippet for no good reason it is hard to claim the man was innocent of the assassination.
 
The mysterious dude blowing smoke.... I stopped watching at that point.
I saw the "bar-room expert" b.s. slinger warming up to solve the world's problem from the last seat at the bar at the Dew Drop Inn.
Ask any question, he's got the bumper sticker solution.
 
It's funny...simple physics disproved all the silly JFK CT's years ago...Accept of course who was OSWALD working for? That's the big question...Probably no one
 
I believe that dallasroofer is trying to get hits on his youtube channel...
 
Well blimey dallas, if I knew you was just hankerin for an audience to tell ya how we feel about your taht thar comedy routine, I would have just encouriged you to work on yalls delivery instead of figger'in out the windage on that JFK shootin thing. You sure could learn a thing or two from those socky fellers tho. They sure is a whole lot more funny than you. Keep it up tho. You jus mite get someone to really laugh at your vidiers some time.

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I want to thank you for being such a good sport. Your participation was invaluable! These YouTube videos are actually part of an online fiction for a school project - thanks again.
 
I regularly visit an excellent site called CinemaRetro which is devoted to film (and some TV) from the 60s and 70s. Being a child of the 70s myself, there's a lot there that interests me.

Anyway I was a little taken aback when I read this review of the conspiracy thriller Executive Action. Here's a brief excerpt. Click here to read the entire article.

"There are still people who believe the Warren Report – and these are probably the same folks who also believe Robert Kennedy’s assassination was un-related and just the work of another “lone nut”."

I emailed both the author himself as well as the CinemaRetro staff to complain about the inclusion of political (not to mention wrong-headed) content on a site that is supposedly dedicated to subjects like James Bond, Raquel Welch and spaghetti westerns. I haven't heard back from CinemaRetro (to be fair I wrote them less than 24 hours ago), but the article's author has responded to me twice. I'm hesitant to show you the exchange without his permission. Let's just say that while he was unfailingly polite (probably more polite that I was, to be honest) he ignored most of my points and questions and simply parroted the same long debunked talking points we've seen here literally hundreds of times before. He even managed to mention Pearl Harbor and 9/11. I invited him to visit the JREF site but he gave no indication that he planned to do so.

In his last email to me he basically said that he doesn't have time to respond to me any further as many other people have written to him and he claims that 95% of those responding to him agree with his views.

Anyway, if anyone else would like to respond to him, his email is in the link I provided above. If anyone else thinks a movie fan site is an inappropriate place for a columnist to hold forth on political opinions (and demonstrably incorrect opinions, at that), please let him know how you feel. This isn't an invitation to spam him or CinemaRetro, just wanted to draw your attention to it. You may even become a fan of the site like I am, despite their occasional lapses in editorial judgement.
 
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Geez, you would have thought someone would have wanted to talk about JFK this week of all weeks.

Anyway an update from my last post, CinemaRetro put my email up on their main page and printed a polite reply that at the same time just slightly missed the point I was trying to make. They also perversly spelled my name wrong which is hard to do when it is clear they simply copy and pasted my email in it's entirety.

If Mr. Hill is telling the truth that most of the people who responded to him agreed with his views on the JFK assassination, then these people who are presumably fans of the spy genre (James Bond and The Man From U.N.C.L.E) are also rapid conspiracy theorists. I find it both ironic and suggestive that a person who enjoys the exploits of fictional secret agents also believes that real life agents helped carry out some of the most infamous murders in recent history
 
Ranb said:
Oswald was a lousy shot claims Rossley. Maybe true, but a person can be a lousy shot and still hit a man from less than 100 yards away.
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IIRC a few people have tried to recreate the shooting but were unable to, factors to consider are the downward angle,the cramped position LHO would have been in in the snipers nest,a target moving away and L to R at 13 mph



Rossley claims nobody saw the Zapruder film for 12 years, not true. I made it through part three. Rossley is getting clubbed like a baby seal.
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That was essentially correct even the WC only saw stills, a few people including Zapruder, Dan Rather and some Secret Service agents saw it on the day of the assassination,some people at Time-Life might have watched it, the FBI examined it and some bootleg copies were circulated among assassination researchers. But it's 1st public showing was on TV in 1975.
 
Lenbrazil said:
IIRC a few people have tried to recreate the shooting but were unable to, factors to consider are the downward angle,the cramped position LHO would have been in in the snipers nest,a target moving away and L to R at 13 mph



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All of which is CTwit legend.
 
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