JFK assassination debate

[CurtC]

1. Show me how my material has been debunked
2. Claiming I had no plausible theory is cowardice and laziness to read my material.

Yes, I'm too lazy to read your ginormous posts. This is an Internet discussion forum. If you have a point to make, tell us what it is and provide links as references.

If you ignore FBI- evidence someone imposting Oswald called the soviet and cuban embassies in Mexico City....

or that the CIA infiltrated Garrison´s staff, bribed witnesses and journalist to destory him...

See, like that. I had no idea that these ideas were in what you posted. Does the web-ism "TL;DR" mean anything to you? If you want to make those points, then explain it, and why you believe it.

 

[HeyLeroy]

The panic and pandemonium in the Secret Service operatives at Dallas was quite understandable, as this was a massive failure in their system.
The largest blunder was the removal of the body from Dallas.
A better and possibly less controversial autopsy by genuine autopsists instead of high ranked guest doctors would have been preferred, but due to the panic at the time, was hardly a consideration.

They were actual pathologists; unfortunately, they weren't qualified forensic pathologists. Forensic pathologists are trained in examining murder victims for cause of death.

 

[Simplicissimus]

Yes, I'm too lazy to read your ginormous posts. This is an Internet discussion forum. If you have a point to make, tell us what it is and provide links as references.



See, like that. I had no idea that these ideas were in what you posted. Does the web-ism "TL;DR" mean anything to you? If you want to make those points, then explain it, and why you believe it.

Regarding Oswald in Mexico City: It´s not me who believes Oswald did not call the Soviet Embassy, but the FBI, ´see the lBJ. Hoover- phone conversation:

LBJ: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

Hoover: No, that’s one angle that’s very confusing, for this reason—we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald’s name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man’s voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there.


http://www.history-matters.com/essays/frameup/FourteenMinuteGap/FourteenMinuteGap.htm
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/frameup/FourteenMinuteGap_Update/FourteenMinuteGap_Update.htm

 

[Firestone]

Regarding Oswald in Mexico City: It´s not me who believes Oswald did not call the Soviet Embassy, but the FBI, ´see the lBJ. Hoover- phone conversation:

LBJ: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

Hoover: No, that’s one angle that’s very confusing, for this reason—we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald’s name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man’s voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there.


http://www.history-matters.com/essays/frameup/FourteenMinuteGap/FourteenMinuteGap.htm
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/frameup/FourteenMinuteGap_Update/FourteenMinuteGap_Update.htm

Hoover was wrong (as he was told almost immediately by FBI agent Gordon Shanklin).
The tape of Oswald at the Soviet embassy in Mexico City was erased well before the assasination.
Please read the chapter "The second Oswald" in Bugliosi's book.

 

[carlitos]

He's not going to read that chapter, or any other part of that book. It's like Kryptonite to these fools.

 

[tsig]

Regarding Oswald in Mexico City: It´s not me who believes Oswald did not call the Soviet Embassy, but the FBI, ´see the lBJ. Hoover- phone conversation:

If you don't believe it why are you pushing it?

 

[kageki]

http://www.viewzone.com/lbj/

Which matches up with Hunt's confession.

Regarding Bugliosi,

- he's a lawyer
- he believes there is a conspiracy in RFK (making him a CT)
- his JFK book was a mock trial for prosecution, but there is nothing stopping him from making a book in defense of Oswald. I'm sure it's just a matter of price and would be just as convincing

 

[Oliver]

I still don't get why they cleaned up the Limousine. Is there any logical explanation about destroying a crime scene by people who should know how to preserve one??? :"/

 

[I Ratant]

I still don't get why they cleaned up the Limousine. Is there any logical explanation about destroying a crime scene by people who should know how to preserve one??? :"/

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SS agents aren't criminologists, they're body guards.
And these with the attitude that the hicks have done in their principal weren't amenable to common sense nor a great deal of cooperation with the local yokels.

 

[Oliver]

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SS agents aren't criminologists, they're body guards.
And these with the attitude that the hicks have done in their principal weren't amenable to common sense nor a great deal of cooperation with the local yokels.

So your point is that Body Guards are meant to clean up crime scenes??? Sorry, but I don't buy your explanation for a second. There was Police present and they should have stopped the SS from doing whatever illogical thing concerning the crime scene.

Unless, of course, Cops aren't meant to protect crime scenes but to give away speeding and parking tickets... [sarcasm]

 

[carlitos]

So your point is that Body Guards are meant to clean up crime scenes??? Sorry, but I don't buy your explanation for a second. There was Police present and they should have stopped the SS from doing whatever illogical thing concerning the crime scene.

Unless, of course, Cops aren't meant to protect crime scenes but to give away speeding and parking tickets... [sarcasm]

As noted earlier...

You mean FBI, SS, the Presidents staff and especially the present Police forgot all about standard procedures how to secure a crime scene.

Sure, that could have been the case, but there was enough professional personnel that could've stopped all the trashing of evidence. I wonder why that fact didn't catch much media attention - if any.

You are posting this in 2009, and understand concepts like ballistics testing and DNA analysis. The assassination was in 1963, and this was the President of the United States and the Governor of Texas getting shot in a car. I can't imagine that 'securing a crime scene' was top priority, but I could be wrong.

Have you picked up Bugliosi's book?

 

[Oliver]

As noted earlier...

Have you picked up Bugliosi's book?

No - I did not. Is it written by a police officer or an SS agent? And if not? Why should they care more about a messy car than finding a murderer?

 

[carlitos]

Ah, never mind then. I thought you were serious.

 

[I Ratant]

So your point is that Body Guards are meant to clean up crime scenes??? Sorry, but I don't buy your explanation for a second. There was Police present and they should have stopped the SS from doing whatever illogical thing concerning the crime scene.

Unless, of course, Cops aren't meant to protect crime scenes but to give away speeding and parking tickets... [sarcasm]

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Your attempt at logic is scrambled, along with your knowledge of the activities that day in Dallas.
I fear it's a waste of my time to educate you.
You'll have to drag yourself out of the conspiracy sewer yourself.

 

[yodaluver28]

No - I did not. Is it written by a police officer or an SS agent? And if not? Why should they care more about a messy car than finding a murderer?

How exactly would leaving JFK's blood on a car seat help them find his murderer?

He was shot in the head from nearly 100 yards away. Other than the bullet fragments, the car contained no evidence as to the identity of his killer. The direction from which the shot came could be determined by the entry and exit wounds on the body, which was no longer in the car. It's not like he was killed in a frantic one-on-one struggle and there might have been hair, skin, or fibers from the killer on the rugs or upholstery.

This is all moot anyway since Oswald was identified by co-workers in the depository, was seen killing Tippit, and was arrested almost immediately after the two murders.