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Merged Jewish paper's column catches Secret Service eye

crimresearch said:
Thank you, ddt, for posting the link to the actual article, given that context can be illuminating, and media reports can be ... not so useful.

OK, he cites Star Trek and Tom Clancy to define the parameters of his 'what ifs'.

He specifically frames it as 'what would the Israeli PM consider out of all options', in this hypothetical.

And in the real world, every nation on Earth with policy wonks and analysts, already has a file room full of these sorts of scenarios.


This was no more 'calling for a hit on the President' than the man in the moon, this is gullible people letting headlines do their thinking for them.
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No, it's still stupid on stilts. His parameterization is inconsistent throughout. One moment, he's talking about thousands of casualties, which is certainly severe. But the next moment, he's talking about the destruction of Israel as a nation, which is something else entirely.

And then he proposes assassinating a US president as a way to gain US support against what may or may not be an existential threat. Even in the context of a column that cites Star Trek and Tom Clancy, this makes no sense.

There is no reason to believe the US Vice President will have any substantial differences over policy with the President, especially not regarding such a diplomatic and military hot-spot as the Middle East. Replacing one with the other will likely have no effect at all on policy towards Israel...

... Unless the US knows that Israel ordered the assassination. But I hardly think such knowledge would cow the new US president into complying with Israel's demands. The entire column is lurid, contrafactual, geopolitical slashfiction. It wouldn't even make sense as a Dan Brown novel, let alone a Tom Clancy novel or an episode of Star Trek.
 
If you think about it logically, even setting aside all morality, it's a really stupid idea.

The guy is a first-rate moron (apologies to morons).

He doesn't consider the near certainty that the secret service would figure out who ordered the assassination, and the backlash against Israel in America. He also assumes that the Vice President would just automatically follow orders from Jerusalem, even if they didn't figure it out.
 
I think the danger is not that the Mossad or Netanyahu would be so stupid, but maybe some lone idiot would have such an idea. Fortunately, a lone idiot would probably be unsuccessful even if he attempted it.
 
Bri said:
Obama is actually fairly popular in Israel according to recent poles. Obama's policies regarding Israel are in line with previous presidents, and in some cases are more pro-Israel than previous presidents. It's largely the GOP that has painted Obama as anti-Israel, and it seems to be working in this country.

-Bri
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Some people such as....

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...ting-obama-as-a-new-form-of-religion-1.284916
So it should have come as no surprise, I suppose, that a cluster of people here, people who cloak themselves in the garb of the pious, have decided to marry their furious loathing of Barack Obama to the custom of their faith, and to do what some in America have been doing for more than a year now: Hating Barack Obama as a new form of religious observance.

Once, on the holiday of Lag B'Omer, which falls this Saturday night, children cast into bonfires images of Adolf Hitler and others who have preached and in some cases practiced the mass killing of Jews.

This year, ahead of the Saturday night observance, professed followers of Meir Kahane have openly boasted of preparing effigies of the American president for distribution and incineration in bonfires across the country.

"There is no doubt that now the enemy of the Jewish people is Barack Hussein Obama," said pro-Kahane activist Noam Federman, a leader of the campaign.

"Obama is the most anti-Semitic president the U.S. has ever had," Federman told Maariv daily's website last week. "The time has come for our blind politicians to wake up and understand that you can't make policy according to the obsession of an Israel-hater."

These are not the rational people who oppose, take issue and disagree with Obama over his policies, his views, his performance. Not at all. These are the people who execrate the man, who despise him with every cell of their being, whose rage at his very name roars like napalm.

These are people who speak in a new spiritual language, that of ritual terrorism.
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As to polls this article claims support is minisucle

There are many people, gifted with rare intelligence and tolerance for humankind, who, when addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, run off the rails.

This week, it was the turn of former American Jewish Congress national director Henry Siegman. Noting opinion polls showing that a bare six to eight percent of the Israeli public supports Barack Obama, Siegman concludes that the dislike for Obama is a reflection not of the president's policies, but of something essential - and fundamentally defective - in the Israeli people itself:

"The Israeli reaction to serious peacemaking efforts is nothing less than pathological," Siegman writes, calling it "the consequence of an inability to adjust to the Jewish people's reentry into history with a state of their own following 2,000 years of powerlessness and victimhood."
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/why-do-israelis-dislike-barack-obama-1.4930

Perhaps there are other polls that ask a different question.
 
crimresearch said:
Thank you, ddt, for posting the link to the actual article, given that context can be illuminating, and media reports can be ... not so useful.

OK, he cites Star Trek and Tom Clancy to define the parameters of his 'what ifs'.
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What do you mean with that?

crimresearch said:
He specifically frames it as 'what would the Israeli PM consider out of all options', in this hypothetical.

And in the real world, every nation on Earth with policy wonks and analysts, already has a file room full of these sorts of scenarios.

This was no more 'calling for a hit on the President' than the man in the moon, this is gullible people letting headlines do their thinking for them.
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The way he phrases yes, he specifically calls on the reader. He begins the column with
"You are Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu."​
He then ends it with:
"With this in mind, I again ask you, Prime Minister Netanyahu, what would you do?"​
That's still the reader. So yes, he calls on the reader to make that choice.

This apart from lots of hyperbole - like Panetta's wish that Israel take a lethal bullet - and a continuous shifting of time frame: is this a question now or in 2017?
 
theprestige said:
There is no reason to believe the US Vice President will have any substantial differences over policy with the President, especially not regarding such a diplomatic and military hot-spot as the Middle East. Replacing one with the other will likely have no effect at all on policy towards Israel...

... Unless the US knows that Israel ordered the assassination. But I hardly think such knowledge would cow the new US president into complying with Israel's demands. The entire column is lurid, contrafactual, geopolitical slashfiction. It wouldn't even make sense as a Dan Brown novel, let alone a Tom Clancy novel or an episode of Star Trek.
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That's the part I don't understand as well. Going along with the scenario: the POTUS is assassinated, the VP takes his place, and a couple of days later gets a report from the FBI that the Mossad was behind it. The logical reaction would be to drop Israel like a ton of bricks.

Unless the writer somehow wants to claim, between the lines, "we control the White House - well, not the prez, but the VP". More gist to the mills of the antisemitism crowd. :boggled:
 
ddt said:
What do you mean with that?


The way he phrases yes, he specifically calls on the reader. He begins the column with
"You are Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu."​
He then ends it with:
"With this in mind, I again ask you, Prime Minister Netanyahu, what would you do?"​
That's still the reader. So yes, he calls on the reader to make that choice.

This apart from lots of hyperbole - like Panetta's wish that Israel take a lethal bullet - and a continuous shifting of time frame: is this a question now or in 2017?
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Nowhere does he call on anyone to *carry out* the assassination, which is what the headlines claim.

This is no more of a threat than the exact same scenario drawn up by governments all around the world. 'Scenario' being the significant word.

The sky is not falling, but it isn't my job to stop people from rushing around and clucking about it.
 
crimresearch said:
This was no more 'calling for a hit on the President' than the man in the moon, this is gullible people letting headlines do their thinking for them.
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Your points are all well-taken. He was still an idiot for writing it, and it could have been foreseen what the result would be of writing a "what if" about killing President Obama.

crimresearch said:
Nowhere does he call on anyone to *carry out* the assassination, which is what the headlines claim.
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Which headlines claim that he calls on someone to carry out the assassination? Not the one posted in the OP.

-Bri
 
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Bri said:
Your points are all well-taken. He was still an idiot for writing it, and it could have been foreseen what the result would be of writing a "what if" about killing President Obama.



Which headlines claim that he calls on someone to carry out the assassination? Not the one posted in the OP.

-Bri
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Post #17

And:

"What on Earth Would Prompt a Newspaper Editor to Call for Obama's Assassination?"
http://news.yahoo.com/earth-prompt-newspaper-editor-call-obamas-assassination-194702814.html

"Secret Service eyes threat in Jewish paper"
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search...ewish+calls+for+president&fr2=sp-qrw-corr-top

"Jewish Newspaper Publisher Calls For Hit On Obama, Apologizes"
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-atlanta-editor-calls-for-obama-assassination,0,6981873.story?track=rss

"Publisher Regrets Kill-Obama Suggestion"
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search...ewish+calls+for+president&fr2=sp-qrw-corr-top
 
crimresearch said:
Post #17

And:

"What on Earth Would Prompt a Newspaper Editor to Call for Obama's Assassination?"
http://news.yahoo.com/earth-prompt-newspaper-editor-call-obamas-assassination-194702814.html

"Secret Service eyes threat in Jewish paper"
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search...ewish+calls+for+president&fr2=sp-qrw-corr-top

"Jewish Newspaper Publisher Calls For Hit On Obama, Apologizes"
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-atlanta-editor-calls-for-obama-assassination,0,6981873.story?track=rss

"Publisher Regrets Kill-Obama Suggestion"
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search...ewish+calls+for+president&fr2=sp-qrw-corr-top
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The article cited in post #17 (nor any other I could find mentioned previously in the thread) doesn't. The ones you linked to here do. Thanks, and I agree with you that the ones you linked to above are wrong. The author doesn't actually call for a hit on President Obama ... he just poses a "what if" scenario that suggests that the reader consider doing so.

Nope, don't see any reason he should have anticipated any backlash from that!

-Bri
 
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Bri said:
The article cited in post #17 (nor any other I could find mentioned previously in the thread) doesn't. The ones you linked to here do. Thanks, and I agree with you that the ones you linked to above are wrong. The author doesn't actually call for a hit on President Obama ... he just poses a "what if" scenario that suggests that the reader consider doing so.

Nope, don't see any reason he should have anticipated any backlash from that!

-Bri
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Post #17

"Jewish journalist calls for a 'hit' on Obama."

OK a poster generated claim, not the actual headline.

And again, governments around the world speculate on these sorts of scenarios routinely, where is the concern over that?
 
crimresearch said:
"Jewish journalist calls for a 'hit' on Obama."

OK a poster generated claim, not the actual headline.
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Yes, but an understandable mistake since MaGZ wrote it as if it was a quote from the article he links to.

And again, governments around the world speculate on these sorts of scenarios routinely, where is the concern over that?
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Journalists rarely do. Not without an anticipation of some serious backlash.

-Bri
 
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