Jet engine of wrong type found near Ground Zero

Quoting myself here :D







What could possibly make such a sound? Hmm, maybe a large passenger plane hitting a tower at 504 kts?


You do realize sound travels slower than light, right?

There is a slower bang before the sharp bang. That's the fireball explosion! It can be tricky to measure times in the video since I believe the frame rate has been slowed down for the start of the fireball explosion to make it look more convincing. Plus sound of jet engine added. The distance from the camera to the tower should be fairly easy to calculate because of the camera angle. The camera is positioned close to the building, and the sound delay is noticeable but less than a second.
 
Anders - perhaps this is just an oversight, but you seemed to have bypassed a question I asked yesterday:

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman View Post
I found some strange things in the reported radar data. And how many radar stations have in fact produced any recorded radar data of the alleged second plane? Thousands of witnesses? I doubt it. The phone calls have been shown to be possibly fakes. Wreckage parts suspiciously looking as having been planted.

How so?
How should the wreckage have looked any different?
 
So you think a heavy metal object rammed through a building at the speed of 504 kts is a silent process? Dude...
 
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How so?
How should the wreckage have looked any different?


Beats me... He's probably gonna argue that it's not damaged enough. Just like the tires :D teh phisiks and teh thwoofers
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Anders, how would you assess the relative difficulties of faking 9/11 versus faking the pictures of the couple of aircraft parts you stumbled upon?

(Not that anything is necessarily faked, as you haven't established that any anomaly exists. I'm merely pointing out your flagrant bias when choosing whether to accept or reject evidence.)
 
Anders, if you look at the "old design of the nozzles", you see that the nozzles are longer than on the pic you showed earlier. I'd say it is very likely they updated that part for the newer model.

:eek: You're right. I had missed that.

Maybe there is even a small difference between the part in the brochure and the engine part on Murray Street:

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Difficult to tell perhaps. They could be the same length. I think at least the nozzles on the Murray St. engine are not shorter than in the paper specs, maybe equal size.
 
Anders - perhaps this is just an oversight, but you seemed to have bypassed a question I asked yesterday:



How so?
How should the wreckage have looked any different?

The jet engine found on Murray Street looks like something from a junkyard rather than from a real crash. :D
 
The jet engine found on Murray Street looks like something from a junkyard rather than from a real crash. :D

So you're an expert at aircrash parts and junkyards now?

Gee, let me bask in your astounding breadth of knowledge and experience for a moment.

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Ok, I'm done.


So does this mean you retract your original claim the engine came from a 737? How does this count as "winning?"
 
The jet engine found on Murray Street looks like something from a junkyard rather than from a real crash. :D

I get it. You were talking out of your posterior. Why not just say "I don't know - I made that up"?

Much easier, and since we'll never meet, it can't be due to embarrassment.

You pretty much made up your mind the entirety of 9/11 is faked because you can't tell what kind of engine wound up on the street?
 
Forget it -- he's found a loose thread and will pull on it until his sock unravels completely, leaving him barefooted. Then he'll bitch about the poor quality of socks these days.

Anders, the design and construction of aircraft parts ARE NOT set in concrete, and continue to evolve AFTER the plane in in production. Things get better with time, technology improves, shortcomings become apparent, and fixes are made. I work on fairly common aircraft instruments from one company, and while externally they are the same, internally I have to account for no less than eight separate alterations of internal components. The end user NEVER sees the difference, but I do.

Engines are a component that is just PRIME for improvements, if for no other reasons than they are probably the most labor-intensive part of the planes to maintain, and consume vast amounts of fuel (which is probably the single most expensive consumable entity in flight). Would it surprise me to discover that an airplane had engines that weren't identical to each other? Not one damned bit.

As far as the pilots are concerned, as long as the engines perform the same and react the same to throttle settings, the pilots don't care if they have a Dash-1 version on one wing and a Dash-4 on the other. The only people who care are the mechanics who work on them.

Now, you show us a pretty poor picture of an engine part whose engine has disassembled itself in a high-velocity impact, shown TOTALLY out of context in relation to whatever other parts surrounded itself in the final assembly without any clue as to what orientation it might have been in, or what the investigators may have removed or dismantled from the piece during their investigations, and then talk about a hypothetical "engine cannon" that was somehow smuggled into the WTC.

You're stacking layer upon layer of improbable logistical requirements to support your house of cards, where in reality you need to start looking for what is simpler and more likely. I've seen this happen all too often, where a person has invested too much in a particular theory and is unwilling to step back, look at the actual facts of the situation, and realize that it just ain't happening.

Boeing itself has said the engine in question is interchangeable with others in the 767. This is Boeing here -- you know, the folks who designed and built the plane?

I think you need to quit waving and flapping over the issue and start checking for reds under your bed. Even the small amount of evidence presented here has handed your hiney back to you.

Regards;
Beanbag
 
What heavy metal object? ;) There were no planes hitting any building.

A) what caused the building columns to bend inward in the exact shape of a jet airliner of the correct type including wing camber at speed and under load

2) What method was used to deliver the thousands of gallons of jet fuel seen exploding just after impact

furthermore) Why does every single one of these video and camcorder shots show an airplane hitting the WTC?
 
So you're an expert at aircrash parts and junkyards now?

Gee, let me bask in your astounding breadth of knowledge and experience for a moment.

....

Ok, I'm done.


So does this mean you retract your original claim the engine came from a 737? How does this count as "winning?"

I'm not sure yet whether the engine is of the right or wrong kind. What IF it's the wrong kind. :confused::eek: Then it's time to stay low for a while. :D Otherwise it's easy to upset a lot of people.
 
I get it. You were talking out of your posterior. Why not just say "I don't know - I made that up"?

Much easier, and since we'll never meet, it can't be due to embarrassment.

You pretty much made up your mind the entirety of 9/11 is faked because you can't tell what kind of engine wound up on the street?

Actually, if it turns out that it is the right kind of engine, I still believe in the no planes theory.
 
You're not sure of the central fact of your claim? Weird.

The mistake I made was to believe too much in the Rense article. Now I doubt that the cooling duct assembly for a CFM56 looks like that with those kinds of bent nozzles. Or could they? Do all jet engines look very similar?
 
So can you address the following questions based on your initial premis?

1) what method was used to deliver the engine to Church and Murray St.

2) How is it that all the clips in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc2tfVuaSrg show an airplane hitting a tower

3) and many of those clips show a projectile emerging from the building and flying to Church and Murray street, with a spiralling motion?
 
Anders, the design and construction of aircraft parts ARE NOT set in concrete, and continue to evolve AFTER the plane in in production.

Ok, yes that's true. The date for the engine parts must be taken into consideration. Yikes. BUT if it can be shown that the JT9D-7R4D engine doesn't have anything near the look of the cooling duct assembly found, then that's a prove of the engine being of wrong kind.
 

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