Jesus created Sex

So stand up for EQUALITY, don;t hum and haw and complain and bitch, make a stand. Which of you is for EQUALITY. have some guts, balls or ovaries and make your claim.

I am for EQUALITY as mentioned and as posted and as I and my wife have put online.....

Quite skirting the issue, make up your minds and make a claim for something rather than being so fearful of everything
 
Desert Search for Techno Allah
All but the truth - forget
And from this union cup
We will drink wine tonight

Qiyamat qiyamat a tawil'
Qiyamat qiyamat insan al kamel

Haqiqat itself is drunk
So drinks the Hidden Imam

Pride of the peacock angel
Under the feather veils

Dark tresses under the black light


Mr. Bungle
 
Kochanski said:
Le Nozze di Figaro - Mozart
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Mefistofele - Arrigo Boito
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Pfft. Lightweight. It's time to bring out the big guns!

Yo VIP let's kick it

Ice ice baby (x2)
All right stop collaborate and listen
Ice is back with my brand new invention
Something grabs a hold of me tightly
Flow like a harpoon daily and nightly
Will it ever stop yo I don't know
Turn off the lights and I'll glow
To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal
Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle
Dance go rush to the speaker that booms
I'm killing your brain like a poisonous mushroom
Deadly when I play a dope melody
Anything less than the best is a felony
Love it or leave it you better gain weight
You better hit bull's eye the kid don't play
If there was a problem yo I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it

CHORUS
Ice ice baby vanillla (x4)

Now that the party is jumping
With the bass kicked in and the vegas are pumpin'
Quick to the point to the point no faking
I'm cooking MC's like a pound of bacon
Burning them if you ain't quick and nimble
I go crazy when I hear a cymbal
And a hi-hat with a souped up tempo
I'm on a roll and it's time to go solo
Rollin' in my 5.0
With my rag-top down so my hair can blow
The girlies on standby waving just to say hi
Did you stop no I just drove by
Kept on pursuing to the next stop
I busted a left and I'm heading to the next block
The block was dead
Yo so I continued to A1A Beachfront Avenue
Girls were hot wearing less than bikinis
Rockman lovers driving Lamborghinis
Jealous 'cause I'm out getting mine
Shay with a guage and Vanilla with a nine
Reading for the chumps on the wall
The chumps acting ill because they're so full of eight balls
Gunshots rang out like a bell
I grabbed my nine all I heard were shells
Falling on the concrete real fast
Jumped in my car slammed on the gas
Bumpet to bumper the avenue's packed
I'm trying to get away before the jackers jack
Police on the scene you know what I mean
They passed me up confronted all the dope fiends
If there was a problem yo I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it

REPEAT CHORUS

Take heed 'cause I'm a lyrical poet
Miami's on the scene just in case you didn't know it
My town that created all the bass sound
Enough to shake and kick holes in the ground
'Cause my style's like a chemical spill
Feasible rhymes that you can vision and feel
Conducted and formed
This is a hell of a concept
We make it hype and you want to step with this
Shay plays on the fade slice like a ninja
Cut like a razor blade so fast other DJs say damn
If my rhyme was a drug I'd sell it by the gram
Keep my composure when it's time to get loose
Magnetized by the mic while I kick my juice
If there was a problem yo I'll solve it
Check out the hook while Shay revolves it

Ice ice baby vanilla
Ice ice baby (oh-oh) vanilla
Ice ice baby vanilla
Ice ice baby vanilla ice
Yo man let's get out of here
Word to your mother
Ice ice baby too cold
Ice ice baby too cold too cold (x2)
Ice ice baby

Vanilla Ice - Ice Ice Baby
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Quite skirting the issue, make up your minds and make a claim for something rather than being so fearful of everything
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:rolleyes:

You quit being a weenie and start answering questions and start behaving like a reasonable and decent human being and have a discussion rather than making silly and stupid proclamations like the above.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
I am for EQUALITY as mentioned and as posted and as I and my wife have put online.....
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And there you go again. You are first, the wife second. You use a possesive to indicate her, implying ownership. She doesn't even have a name, personality, or her own individuality, just a title indicating a subordinate position. Nice.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Hokuleke, the female that is afraid to stand up for her own EQUALITY as a woman amongst men.

In doing this, you show why most women submit to men and their unChristian principles of domination and control. In this way, you become extremely churchy and church oriented. You are afraid to speak up for your own EQUALITY.

You cant agree with me, on this, and so you in fear, stand firm with your mob and in essense therefore satnd for INEQUALITY.

Fior there are only two options, two choices, EQUALITY or INEQUALITY.

And you haven't the courage to stand up for EQUALITY, how very sad. very very sad, as peer pressure has made you do this and you are trapped in a corner of your own making. How truly sad.

I prefer strong women that stand up for themselves.... and stand up for EQUALITY.
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What post of Hokulele's are you reading that you manage to interpret this way? You are attributing to Hokulele nothing that she has said, and many things that she has explicitly spoken against. Either you're very stupid, very crazy, or you're doing your usual trick of deliberately misreading and misunderstanding everything without regard for the truth (or any combination of those three).

Everything Hokulele has said has been to stand up for equality, and to reject and deny your viewpoint, which, despite your protestations, is often, just like the bible you so love to quote and so love to misunderstand, misogynistic and patriarchal.

I should add that even speaking about "a woman amongst men" betrays a certain bias. Women are in the majority on earth, I believe. We are men amongst women (and as far as I'm concerned, that's a lovely place to be).
 
I like the poetic content this thread is growing, but I'll keep it short because I have stuff to do, because....

Diffugere nives, redeunt iam gramina campis,
Arborisque comae.
Mutat terra vices et decrescentia ripas;
Flumina praeterunt. (Horace)
 
Haikus can be fun
But sometimes they don't make sense
Refrigerator
 
One of the difficulties I find is that its very difficult to tell the difference between deeply held religious beliefs based on irrationality and the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. Maybe there's a continuum.

Whatever the truth may be, DJJ makes no sense in this world or the next.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
So stand up for EQUALITY, don;t hum and haw and complain and bitch, make a stand. Which of you is for EQUALITY. have some guts, balls or ovaries and make your claim.

I am for EQUALITY as mentioned and as posted and as I and my wife have put online.....

Quite skirting the issue, make up your minds and make a claim for something rather than being so fearful of everything
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Isn't it technically (you know in the English language) always "My wife and I"?

And the religious comments you have been quoted as saying here are not for equality, they are possesive and biggoted.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
So stand up for EQUALITY, don;t hum and haw and complain and bitch, make a stand. Which of you is for EQUALITY. have some guts, balls or ovaries and make your claim.

I am for EQUALITY as mentioned and as posted and as I and my wife have put online.....

Quite skirting the issue, make up your minds and make a claim for something rather than being so fearful of everything
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I'm all for equality. One consequence of that is that I reject the chauvinistic and demeaning opinions of the self-appointed apostle Paul. His statements regarding the role of women in the world, and more particularly in worship and prayer, are easy to find, direct and unambiguous. You can interpret the Old Testament as you wish, but Paul makes it clear repeatedly and with consistency that he did not interpret it as you do. You continually cite scripture as authority and corroboration of your ideas. How do you reconcile your ideas of sex and equality with that part of scripture, or do you just pretend it isn't there?
 
By the way, the Gospel of Thomas attriutes this winner to Jesus:

Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."
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and also has this
Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life."
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Yes religion student you have been indocrinated by the church and its system to deny EQUALITY and try to deny that the Holy Spirit is female, as your system wants to make everything male and male controlling.

But let's go over your wierd perverse male oriented doctrine step by crazy step...

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But you are useing Sophia as a representative of the holy spirit.... No the Holy Spirit and wisdom are ONE and the same. Wisdom is not an atribute of the Holy Spirit it is one and the same, she is automatically wise and the GREAT TEACHER.)

The theology of Logos doctrine in Jewish Sophia of proverbs is equivicable to the Christian Logos doctrine of Christ, not the holy spirit. ((NO, Jesus is the Word, the Holy Spirit is ONE with the Word and Jesus, and the WORD is of course wisdom. You can't separate the Holy Spirit, jesus and the Word or Wisdom. They are ONE, even though they have two different genders.)

The holy spirit can not even be considered in discussion with Sophia, as its pre-holy spirit -not a fleshed out theology until Basil of Caesarea- (Absolutely not as the Holy Spirit was always present, it didn't just descend when the Christians waited for it in the UPPER ROOM. And do understand that both women and men got it not just men. This although the church system has said that woman are second class Christians and have to be taught at home from their husbands. That goeas absolutely against the freedom and truth of the Holy pirit going to anyon, male or female. The church system is sexist and partial and patriarchial. And that's who has been teaching you.. SEE the Church is dangerous thread)

YHWH has nothing to do with the holy spirit, (That's absolutely ludicrous, you obviously have only studied in a classroom and never in the real world... The Lord's Name is ONE, and includes the father, Mother and SON and is completed by us the bride.. You can not dissect the trinity and say they are separate. They are ONE.)

Israelite use predates the holy spirit by more than a thousand years, and was likely used by other ANE faiths before the Israelites. (?????)

To say that the holy spirit is female, you cannot support it with the old testament, as it is not aplicable, or the new, as it does not present a female holy spirit, so the only support you seem to be able to offer is mangled misinterpretations and incorrect Hebrew. (You can not support your male Holy Spirit, except by the changes made in the New testament by the Patriarchy.....)

The Jesus Male thing was Sarcasm.
And apparently you have that Davinci Code, Patriarchal conspiracy BS. Oh they were sexist but they didn't alter sexes and hide wives and stuff, that's just conspiracy theory paranoia.
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(To put it bluntly you'er an idiot brain washed church person, the hardest of the hard, the blindest of the blind. Anyone with half a brain an an ounce of experience knows the church orientation towards male control over women. It is a given and is one of the reasons real women flee from the grips of its oppression. Go back to your pews, church person...)
 
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I'm all for equality. One consequence of that is that I reject the chauvinistic and demeaning opinions of the self-appointed apostle Paul. His statements regarding the role of women in the world, and more particularly in worship and prayer, are easy to find, direct and unambiguous. You can interpret the Old Testament as you wish, but Paul makes it clear repeatedly and with consistency that he did not interpret it as you do. You continually cite scripture as authority and corroboration of your ideas. How do you reconcile your ideas of sex and equality with that part of scripture, or do you just pretend it isn't there?
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Bruto, I am proud of you BRO. Good for you !!!!!!!

Excellent excellent skepticism and questioning.

You may make a good Christian yet....as searching for truth and looking through the blatant and demeaning verses from Paul directed towards women is a great start.

Pauls words do not always match the Lord's and actually contradict what the Lord taught and did. He wasn;t always in the SPIRIT.

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[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Sorry All, you have two choices, either believe the Lord or believe Paul. For many times Paul's words in mere letters to the babe churches are just his unspiritual opinions and NOT the Lord's Words at ALL. Paul's words many times contradict and oppose what the Lord has taught through His Prophets. So you have to choose what you are going to believe and know when Paul is speaking and writing in the Spirit and when he is just giving his opinion.

For Paul gave himself permission to give his opinion many times 1Corinthians 7:6 But I (Paul) speak this by permission, and not of commandment. (Because Paul had not heard from the Lord when he wrote these things down but went from his poor experiences with women, and from his law and holiness background)

So let's take the example of how Paul demanded that Christian women should dress .... 1Titus 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But this absolutely going against how the Lord says He is going to dress His Bride and His women.

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Ezekiel 16:6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee [when thou wast] in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live. Eze 16:7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare. Eze 16:8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time [was] the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.Eze 16:9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil. Eze 16:10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. Eze 16:11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. Eze 16:12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.Eze 16:13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment [was of] fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.Eze 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.

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Beauty is of the Lord, the Lord wants us to be beautiful and dress beautifully and sensually (if we choose).(SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]What is beauty[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]) Our women don't have to dress like Quakers, and cover themsleves up and hide the beauty and glory of what the Lord Himself created. Let your light shine before men (and women) so that they may see His good works and glorify the Lord. (Mathew 5:16) Let him that glorieth, glory in the Lord and His wonderful works of creation. (1 Cor 1: 31)And the truth shall make us free not bound, and always concerned about what the unbelievers might think. To hell with them, we are to obey the Lord, and show the beauty that the Lord hath made. In everything give thanks, and be not bound by men, but FREE.

We don't have to obey Paul and his holiness doctrines. We can obey the Lord and follow the freedom that He has given us. We can choose what to wear and when it is appropriate and what not to wear if we choose to do so. We are old enough in the Spirit and mature enough to be able to choose without being bound by some outdated unscriptural law of holiness.

I mean if you want to hear anti-woman, anti-equality male Patriarchy speaking, jsut continue reading what Paul went on to say further in his letter to Titus... 1Ti 2:10-14 But which becometh women professing godliness with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Are you nuts Pau ? They both were party to the sin and so the Lord cursed both of them and not just Eve. Have you never read your Bible at all Paul ? How dare you blame just the woman as if the men are innocent and not guilty of any transgression. if that were so, the Lord wouldn;t have cursed Adam for what he did. And how dare you Paul say that a woman can;t lead a man, and if they do that would be usurping herself from her supposed lowly status as his mere slave and obedient follower. That's again against the principles of the Lord, concerning the equality of men and women. Patriarchy is not of the Lord. Mature spirituality from the heart determines leadership and not mere gender, Paul ? Look at all the problems you have caused because of what you wrote as it has given all the holiness people such ammunition to keep down Christian women and to try and keep them in subjection to unspritual men.

This meaning that we have to choose between paul's words and the Lords words when their is a contradiction between the two, because Paul was not always in the Spirit when he wrote his letters to the babe churches. He was just giving his opinion, and many times his opinion was in absolute contradiction to what the Lord said.

So women (and men) if you feel like dressing up, or not dressing at all, that is your freedom and liberation in the Lord, so that all you have to do is just give the Lord credit for your health and beauty, (or manliness) and let others know it is He that gave you these gifts.

In My Opinion according to what the LORD's WORD says.

David[/SIZE]

You nailed the truth so easily this time.... finally. Good for you !!
 
Diamond said:
One of the difficulties I find is that its very difficult to tell the difference between deeply held religious beliefs based on irrationality and the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. Maybe there's a continuum.

Whatever the truth may be, DJJ makes no sense in this world or the next.
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Diamond, to walk up a staircase, you have to take one step at a time...so you don't fall backwards all the time. I might be able to help you if you just concentrate on taking smaller steps because of your initial lack of wisdom and strength.

Thanks hoping you change your avatar in time, illustrating your progress rather than your continual failings
 
Davidjayjordan said:
[SIZE=-1]Ezekiel 16:6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee [when thou wast] in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live. Eze 16:7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare. Eze 16:8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time [was] the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.Eze 16:9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil. Eze 16:10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. Eze 16:11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. Eze 16:12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.Eze 16:13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment [was of] fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.Eze 16:14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD. [/SIZE]
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Did you even bother to read the next verses? Basically "the Lord" has a major hissy fit and spends more than twice as many verses cursing that same "person". Here are just the first two:

"But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: [the like things] shall not come, neither shall it be [so]."

Another 50 verses calling this same person a harlot, whore, filthy, and a whole lot worse. Included is a huge amount of punishment including burning her house down, stoning, piercing with swords. It all ends with:

"That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD."

Nice male-chauvinistic, misogynistic lord you have there.
 
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Davidjayjordan said:
Yes religion student you have been indocrinated by the church and its system to deny EQUALITY and try to deny that the Holy Spirit is female, as your system wants to make everything male and male controlling.

But let's go over your wierd perverse male oriented doctrine step by crazy step...
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That's funny, I'm an atheist.

(To put it bluntly you'er an idiot brain washed church person, the hardest of the hard, the blindest of the blind. Anyone with half a brain an an ounce of experience knows the church orientation towards male control over women. It is a given and is one of the reasons real women flee from the grips of its oppression. Go back to your pews, church person...)
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I am an atheist, as I stated above
I actually come out quite often on the side of biblical minimalists.
However, I am brainwashed by a basic understanding of biblical era Hebrew, which you do not seem to have, since your use of Hebrew has been wrong every time concerning the meaning of YHWH.

Also, many of your quotes have been sexist, we have shown them to you, but apparently you think your owning a woman is EQUALITY
 
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