"Jersey Girls"

Claim that al Jazeera is an instrument of the CIA coming in 3,2,1...
 
Tweeter said:
Yeah, its a good idea to endanger grade school kids after you`re notified the country is under attack. Wonder why those darn terrorists dont ever go after any bigger fish. Hmmmm
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yes, im sure part of the normal procedure for moving the president would have been to notify the terrorists that they were doing so, and let them know where they were moving him to, just to make sure the terrorists didnt hit the school after he left



fact is the school had been secured by the secret service before the presidents arrival, this eliminated the vast majority of threats to the president, moving to another location would have exposed him to additional threats until they got a good distance away from the school, im sure the secret service decided the benefit was not worth the additional risk and to just sit tight until they had a better understanding of whats going on
 
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Jonnyclueless said:
Before. Long before.
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but anyway, to me that claim makes no sence at all, coudnt find the white house?

hani hanjour learned how to fly planes, had a licence, knew how to opperate Autopilot, but hani then somehow didnt find the whitehouse?

after he turned of the autopilot, he must have know he had to pass the pentagon, the biggest building in the world, fly over that river, and then fly into that park and hit that white house.........
before he passed the pentagon, and before he flew over the potomac river, he started the turn to hit the pentagon?

no sorry, makes no sence to me
 
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Dictator Cheney said:
but anyway, to me that claim makes no sence at all, coudnt find the white house?
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The white house isn't actually easy to find from way up in the air. The fact that Hani dropped so fast in so short of a distance and had to hit the Pentagon, shows that he had no idea where the white house was, and may have "overshot" it.

again, we dont know definitely if the white house was his TARGET.

However, the pentagon, from the air, is actually alot easier to find than the white house is. seeing as there is a big river that is one side of the Pentagon, and the white house is surround by greenery, and other buildings.

Every flown to DC before?



hani hanjour learned how to fly planes, had a licence, knew how to opperate Autopilot, but hani then somehow didnt find the whitehouse?
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You do realize that he was doing most of the flying (not the autopilot) when he entered the DC airspace? which is why he did that really bad turn and hit the pentagon.



after he turned of the autopilot, he must have know he had to pass the pentagon, the biggest building in the world, fly over that river, and then fly into that park and hit that white house.........
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again. we dont know what he was thinking. maybe he got scared and said "damn, I should just hit whatever building i see".

maybe the passengers were pounding on the cockpit door, threatening to take over the plane like flight 93 did. Maybe he felt pressured, and just wanted to complete his mission.

The longer he was in flight, the more time he was giving any "air" response the chance to intercept his flight.

factor in the chaos of what was happening that day, the scared passensgers, the length of time being in the air, he reacted as anyone under pressure would. Find something and just hit that instead.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
but anyway, to me that claim makes no sence at all, coudnt find the white house?

hani hanjour learned how to fly planes, had a licence, knew how to opperate Autopilot, but hani then somehow didnt find the whitehouse?

after he turned of the autopilot, he must have know he had to pass the pentagon, the biggest building in the world, fly over that river, and then fly into that park and hit that white house.........
before he passed the pentagon, and before he flew over the potomac river, he started the turn to hit the pentagon?

no sorry, makes no sence to me
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So now the claims about Hani go from him being too inexperienced to even flying a plane to him now being too good to have missed his intended target.

How do you think these guys found their targets? Osmosis? They used visual cues. The whitehouse as big as it is is not easy to spot. The Pentagon however happens to be the easiest building to spot from the air.

I am sure a lot of things make no sense to you. He had to turn because clearly by the time he decided on the Pentagon he couldn't hit it without making a big turn. These were not expert pilots, the knew enough to get the plane somewhere.
 
So we finished off the Jersey Persons? How in heck did we get to the White House as a target?
 
Jonnyclueless said:
So now the claims about Hani go from him being too inexperienced to even flying a plane to him now being too good to have missed his intended target.

How do you think these guys found their targets? Osmosis? They used visual cues. The whitehouse as big as it is is not easy to spot. The Pentagon however happens to be the easiest building to spot from the air.

I am sure a lot of things make no sense to you. He had to turn because clearly by the time he decided on the Pentagon he couldn't hit it without making a big turn. These were not expert pilots, the knew enough to get the plane somewhere.
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only short cause we are way OT :/

the claims about hani are from official side.

and maybe you realise somewhen, not all ppl with the labels "nutcase" "twoofer" "CT" think the same, claim the same :)

and to bring it back topic.

"Conspiracy-deniers" should also thank the Jersey Girls. its them that took care, there would be an investigation.

and i hope they keep fighting for a real investigation :)
 
Dictator Cheney said:
only short cause we are way OT :/

the claims about hani are from official side.

and maybe you realise somewhen, not all ppl with the labels "nutcase" "twoofer" "CT" think the same, claim the same :)

and to bring it back topic.

"Conspiracy-deniers" should also thank the Jersey Girls. its them that took care, there would be an investigation.

and i hope they keep fighting for a real investigation :)
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which they already RECEIVEd. they are just not happy with the ANSWERS given. sorry, but what they perceive to be 'answers' are not the answers that everyone else looked for.

they want to place BLAME on someone, SOMETHINg. but seeing that they can't get "justice" from an organization half-way across the world (to pay for their husbands' deaths), they cannot, and WILL not accept any answer that doesn't place blame on the govt. They want someone to blame, they are not happy that the blame goes to people they have no way to bring to justice.

sorry, but WE spent $$$$$ on two investigations 911 comission and the NIST report. What more "investigation" needs to be done (save for ADDING ON to the existing reports?)
 
Wrong there was an investigation starting on 9/11. We didn't need them. 9/11 commission was not the investigation it was just to find lapses in security and suggest improvements. Changes to how departments work and additional departments were made based on their findings. But again, the investigation started on the day of the attacks.

Yes the commission found that Hani was a decent enough pilot. But the argument used against this is that he was a bad pilot. You just think we're all stupid because you intentionally try to leave out your personal beliefs and think it allows you to say anything you want without saying anything. Don't pretend I don't know what you think. We all know what you think, and you ALL pretend you never make any claims.

The reason you get a lot of crap has nothing to do with any actual claims, it's the lemming mentality that every 30 days a new one of you comes along and does the same exact thing, thus infinitely repeating the cycle. And you all think you are the first ones, you all think you aren't a nutjob because you didn't specify what you think, you simply wait for someone else to, then attack whatever counter argument is made against that.

Maybe you should read posts from people like Sizzler and LastChild and see the same exact arguments. It gets old. You guys know you don't have a leg to stand on with your beliefs so they only option you have is to try and attack the experts. You think you can maybe look right if you try to make the experts look wrong. Unfortunately it doesn't work on this forum. The experts here didn't become experts because they were too stupid to see through these kinds of antics.
 
SDC said:
So we finished off the Jersey Persons? How in heck did we get to the White House as a target?
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Jersey girls > JG arguments about President not leaving school > how did they not know school was target > pilots weren't good enough to spot a small school > Case in point Hani Hanjor not being able to find his target.

Probably my fault, but Hani was simply an example to demonstrate the claim made by the Jersey Girls.
 
Arus808 said:
which they already RECEIVEd. they are just not happy with the ANSWERS given. sorry, but what they perceive to be 'answers' are not the answers that everyone else looked for.

they want to place BLAME on someone, SOMETHINg. but seeing that they can't get "justice" from an organization half-way across the world (to pay for their husbands' deaths), they cannot, and WILL not accept any answer that doesn't place blame on the govt. They want someone to blame, they are not happy that the blame goes to people they have no way to bring to justice.

sorry, but WE spent $$$$$ on two investigations 911 comission and the NIST report. What more "investigation" needs to be done (save for ADDING ON to the existing reports?)
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according to the Jersey girls, its not really the answer they got, its more the answers they did not get :)
according to them most of the questions was never answered.

:P
 
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Dictator Cheney said:
according to the Jersey girls, its not really the answer they got, its more the answers they did not get
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Because some of the questions were just stupid. For example IIRC they wanted to know why helicopters didn't come and toss parachutes to the people trapped in the towers.
 
I would be pissed too i I wasn't told Bush's luggage combination. But at least I could then claim that there must be an inside job since he didn't answer my question. And people wonder why he didn't want to testify...
 
Dictator Cheney said:
according to the Jersey girls, its not really the answer they got, its more the answers they did not get :)
according to them most of the answers was never answered.
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And what is the significance of this again?

The Jersey Girls are four out of tens of thousands of family members that lost loved ones on 9/11. Aside from them and maybe a handful of others, none of those family members have voiced any criticism with the official version of events or the 9/11 investigation.

And yet CTers constantly hawk these women as the voice of the victims' families as if they comprise some kind of consensus, when in reality they only compromise an extremely small percentage.

So why should we lend what these women say any weight, and ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of the the victims' families seem quite content with the official explanation?
 
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WildCat said:
Because some of the questions were just stupid. For example IIRC they wanted to know why helicopters didn't come and toss parachutes to the people trapped in the towers.
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this is one of the jersey girls questions?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
this is one of the jersey girls questions?
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“What I saw on 9/11 totally flew in the face of everything I thought this country was about,” says Casazza. “For the people standing crowded and on their own in the opening of the broken windows of the towers, there were no police, Coast Guard, or military helicopters. They could have at least been thrown parachutes so that they could have attempted their own rescue."

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johnny karate said:
And what is the significance of this again?

The Jersey Girls are four out of tens of thousands of family members that lost loved ones on 9/11. Aside from them and maybe a handful of others, none of those family members have voiced any criticism with the official version of events or the 9/11 investigation.

And yet CTers constantly hawk these women as the voice of the victims' families as if they comprise some kind of consensus, when in reality they only compromise an extremely small percentage.

So why should we lend what these women say any weight, and ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of the the victims' families seem quite content with the official explanation?
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Family Members
Joanne Barbara, wife of FDNY Asst. Chief of Dept. Gerard Barbara
Gayle Barker, sister of William A. Karnes, WTC
Michele Bergsohn, wife of Alvin Bergsohn, Cantor Fitzgerald
Derrill Bodley, father of Deora Bodley, passenger on Flight 93
Kathryn C. Bowden, sister of Thomas H. Bowden, Jr. WTC1, 104th floor
Janet Calia, wife of Dominick Calia, Cantor Fitzgerald, WTC1
Maggie Cashman, wife of William Joseph Cashman, United Flight 93
Lynne Castrianno Galante, sister of Leonard Castrianno, 1WTC, 105th floor
Elza Chapa-McGowan, daughter of Rosemary Chapa, Pentagon
Bruce De Cell, father-in-law of Mark Petrocelli North Tower, 92nd floor
Ralph D'Esposito, father of Michael D'Esposito, WTC, 96th floor
Loisanne Diehl, Surviving Spouse, Michael D. Diehl, WTC2, 90th floor
Adina D. Eisenberg, sister of Eric Eisenberg, WTC
Jonathan M. Fisher, son of Dr. Gerald Paul "Geep" Fisher, Pentagon
Michael J. Fox, brother of Jeffrey L. Fox, Tower 2, 89th floor
Laurel A. Gay, sister of Peter A. Gay, AA Flight 11
Irene Golinsky, wife of Col. Ronald F. Golinski USA RET, Pentagon
Lori, Jerry, and Beatrice Guadagno, sister and parents of Richard Guadagno, Flight 93
Kristen Hall, daughter of fallen firefighter Thomas Kuveikis 9/11
Kurt D. Horning, father of Matthew D. Horning, WTC Tower One, 95th floor
Jennifer W. Hunt, wife of William C. Hunt, Euro Brokers
John Keating, son of Barbara Keating, passenger on AA Flight 11
L. Russell Keene II, father of Russ Keene III, WTC2, 89th floor, KBW
Peter Kousoulis, sister died in WTC
Paul & Barbara Kirwin, parents of Glenn Davis Kirwin, Cantor Fitzgerald 105th floor
Barbara Krukowski-Rastelli, mother of William E. Krukowski, NYC firefighter
Laura and Ira Lassman, parents of Nicholas C. Lassman, died in WTC, Tower One
Johnny Lee, husband of Lorraine Greene
Alicia LeGuillow, mother of Nestor A. Cintron III
Francine Levine, sister of Adam K. Ruhalter, who died on 9/11
Bob McIlvaine, father of Robert McIlvaine, WTC, Merrill Lynch
Mary McWilliams, mother of FF Martin E. McWilliams- Engine 22
Daryl J. Meehan, brother of Colleen Ann Barkow, WTC 1, 105th floor
Elvira P. Murphy, wife of Patrick Murphy, WTC 1
Natalee Pecorelli, sister of Thomas Pecorelli of Flight 11
James L Perry, M.D and Patricia J. Perry, parents of John W. Perry, Esq., NYPD Officer 9/11
David Potorti, brother of James Potorti, North Tower, WTC, Marsh & McLennan
Terry Kay Rockefeller, sister of Laura Rockefeller, North Tower, WTC
Grissel Rodriguez-Valentin, wife of Benito Valentin, WTC1, 94th floor
Alissa Rosenberg-Torres, widow of Luis Eduardo Torres, post-9/11 mother, writer
Elaine Saber, mother of Scott Saber
Julie Scarpitta, mother of Michelle Scarpitta, WTC Building 2, 84th floor
Paula Shapiro, mother of Eric Eisenberg, WTC2
Elizabeth Turner, wife of Simon Turner, lost on 11th September 2001
Adele Welty, mother of Firefighter Timothy Welty, FDNY, Squad 288
Joan W. Winton, mother of David Winton, WTC, South Tower, 89th floor
David Yancey, husband of Vicki Yancey, American Airlines Flight 77
Nissa Youngren, daughter of Robert G. LeBlanc, flight 175


i also think they are a minority, but you seem to have big hands
 
WildCat said:
“What I saw on 9/11 totally flew in the face of everything I thought this country was about,” says Casazza. “For the people standing crowded and on their own in the opening of the broken windows of the towers, there were no police, Coast Guard, or military helicopters. They could have at least been thrown parachutes so that they could have attempted their own rescue."

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indeed a stupid idea i think, but is this a question they forwarded to the commission?
 
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