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Redtail said:
... How many schools were targeted on 9/11? Until the planes started crashing into buildings, how many knew how the hijackings would end? How many people have you been a bodyguard for? It seems "seems" is the key word in your post.
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exactly, thx, thats my point, nobody could knew who or what is under atack. they knew 2 planes hitted the world trade center. untill they are sure what is going on, they should have moved the president out of that room, into security.

but they did not do that. they knew they was udner atack. but how could they know they are not a target?
 
Redtail said:
... How many schools were targeted on 9/11? Until the planes started crashing into buildings, how many knew how the hijackings would end? How many people have you been a bodyguard for? It seems "seems" is the key word in your post.
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exactly, thx, thats my point, nobody could knew who or what is under atack. they knew 2 planes hitted the world trade center. untill they are sure what is going on, they should have moved the president out of that room, into security.

but they did not do that. they knew they was udner atack. but how could they know they are not a target?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
exactly, thx, thats my point, nobody could knew who or what is under atack. they knew 2 planes hitted the world trade center. untill they are sure what is going on, they should have moved the president out of that room, into security.

but they did not do that. they knew they was udner atack. but how could they know they are not a target?
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as far i know, it was public known where the president is, it was anounced on the whitehouse homepage.

so they could not be sure, they didnt plan to also atack the place where the president is. so it was not such a secure place like you would think.

only ppl that do not think skeptical, find it totaly normal reaction by the sec.serv. and the president.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
only ppl that do not think skeptical, find it totaly normal reaction by the sec.serv. and the president.
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Richard Clarke said the Secret Service head didn't talk about Bush being moved until after 9:28. They also had to work on where to move him:

During the pause, I noticed that Brian Stafford, director of the Secret Service, was now in the room. He pulled me aside. "We gotta get him out of there to some place safe ... and secret. I've stashed FLOTUS."...

Franklin Miller, my colleague and Special Assistant to the President for Defense Affairs, joined Stafford. Frank squeezed my bicep. "Guess I'm working for you today. What can I do?"...

"Can you work with Brian," I told Miller. "Figure out where to move the President? He can't come back here until we know what the **** is happening." I knew that would not go down well with the Commander in Chief. "And Tom," I directed at Colonel Greenwood, "work with Roger - Cressey - on getting some CAP here - fast."

Richard Clarke, Against All Enemies
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No surprise from Clarke that he hadn't been moved already. No automatic decision about where he should go, either - thought and time was required. Maybe the behaviour of the Secret Service isn't quite as surprising as deceptive propagandists like David Ray Griffin pretend.
 
MikeW said:
Richard Clarke said the Secret Service head didn't talk about Bush being moved until after 9:28. They also had to work on where to move him:



No surprise from Clarke that he hadn't been moved already. No automatic decision about where he should go, either - thought and time was required. Maybe the behaviour of the Secret Service isn't quite as surprising as deceptive propagandists like David Ray Griffin pretend.
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how long was he sitting there with that book in his hand?
and like i got told here, the area was save, so the SS checked the place for security, but they had never thaught about what to do in an emergency?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
how long was he sitting there with that book in his hand?
and like i got told here, the area was save, so the SS checked the place for security, but they had never thaught about what to do in an emergency?
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Is it so hard to believe that the SS could have been complacent?

Actually, the SS probably had all sorts of contingency plans for what to do in all sorts of situations should they have occurred at that school but I doubt killer civilian jetliners was amongst them. However the SS seemed to reason that against that particular threat it was better to sit tight until a reasonable plan was formulated and the President had agreed to it. After all even if there hijacked airliners in the area it would be unlikely that the hijackers would know where that one little elementary school was let alone find it from the air and hit it.
 
Travis said:
Is it so hard to believe that the SS could have been complacent?

Actually, the SS probably had all sorts of contingency plans for what to do in all sorts of situations should they have occurred at that school but I doubt killer civilian jetliners was amongst them. However the SS seemed to reason that against that particular threat it was better to sit tight until a reasonable plan was formulated and the President had agreed to it. After all even if there hijacked airliners in the area it would be unlikely that the hijackers would know where that one little elementary school was let alone find it from the air and hit it.
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so something happens they never thaught off, and the best thing to do is, nothing? a little skeptical thinking would be good now.
it was known in wich school Bush was. its easy to find that school's coordinates. how could they know the school was not in danger ?
 
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Dictator Cheney said:
so something happens they never thaught off, and the best thing to do is, nothing? a little skeptical thinking would be good now.
it was known in wich school Bush was. its easy to find that school's coordinates. how could they know the school was not in danger ?
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Knowing the coordinates and hitting it are 2 different things. The only other buildings they hit that day were 3 of the largest buildings in the world, and easy ones to spot from the air. And the plane that hit the Pentagon nearly crashed into the ground first, and the second plane to hit the WTC had to make a sharp bank at the last second to hit it. Much, much harder to spot an elementary school from the air and hitting it.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
so something happens they never thaught off, and the best thing to do is, nothing? a little skeptical thinking would be good now.
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I never said the did "nothing" I said: the SS seemed to reason that against that particular threat it was better to sit tight until a reasonable plan was formulated and the President had agreed to it so what they were doing was formulating a plan. I suppose they could have rushed into the room and grabbed the President and hauled him outside before even explaining to him what they were doing but what would that have accomplished? Nothing and it would probably have panicked a great deal of people so it not only would accomplish nothing positive in terms of security it would be detrimental to public morale.

Dictator Cheney said:
it was known in wich school Bush was. its easy to find that school's coordinates. how could they know the school was not in danger ?
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Really. How exactly would they have even known what to look for? This was before there were resources like Google Earth so how in the world would they have even known what the school would look like from the air?

Even if they managed to get an aerial photograph it wouldn't have guaranteed anything. Many bomber pilots that had studied recon photographs of their target still ended up hitting the wrong things.
 
thatsmystory said:
Is it idiotic to wonder why Bush didn't follow up with Card to get more information? Bush's response made no sense. No curiosity. No concern. Nothing to indicate that the President was in the loop during a national crisis. Was this proof that he was a front man in charge of photo ops, merely using the powers of the Presidency to run interference for the Rumsfeld/Cheney cabal?

I haven't heard a good explanation for his conduct in over six years.
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No, it's idiotic to not even be aware of the fact that they DID try to because one is too busy reading cult conspiracy web sites to have the right information before launching these absurd attacks/claims.

It's idiotic to sit here and pretend that the president and his people had no desire to find out what was going on. And what's more idiotic is then to make conjecture and assume that because you didn't even both to do any research that it proves some kind of inside job. And then to not understand why others laugh at those who make this mistake.

You haven't heard a good explanation because you don't want to hear one. You don't hear one because you would rather make up your own to fit your pre-determined conclusions. Finding out reality might interfere with those delusions.
 
Tweeter said:
Yeah, its a good idea to endanger grade school kids after you`re notified the country is under attack. Wonder why those darn terrorists dont ever go after any bigger fish. Hmmmm
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So now please explain to us how the kids, who were in the most secured area in the country at the time were being put in danger.

I don't think the answer will be too hard to predict for someone who can't even figure out why the terrorists don't go after the president himself. If one can't even do basic math, how can they be expected to do calc?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
so something happens they never thaught off, and the best thing to do is, nothing? a little skeptical thinking would be good now.
it was known in wich school Bush was. its easy to find that school's coordinates. how could they know the school was not in danger ?
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It was only known for a few months and it took years to plan out the attack. As already stated, the reason they hit the Pentagon was because the pilot couldn't find the white house. It would have been next to impossible to find the school house, not to mention it would have served very little purpose for such a target with little chance of success.

So what would you do? Would you hit a target that has a very high success rate and would make your point clear? Or would you choose one that was nearly impossible and wouldn't strike fear into a population as much as it would the administration?


NOW. Please explain to us how you know that by the president remaining in the most secure area and not putting himself intentionally in danger by leaving the secure area that this proves an inside job. Don't sit here and pretend you aren't making that claim, sit here and show us how you know this. We want YOUR explanation now.
 
RedIbis said:
But we do know how the Secret Service handled Bush in the event of a terrorist attack, and it's such an incomprehensible response, it deserves it's own thread.
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DavidJames said:
Please do start the thread and when you do please state specifically what should have happened and please, please, provide evidence to support your claim. No one cares what you think the SS should have done. What people care about is what they, per protocol, should have done and did they follow protocol.

Are you up to that? Can you start a thread and present actual, verifiable evidence or will you just ask questions?

Good Luck.
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Just bumping for Red - I suspect Red's failure to open a ticket may be fall under the "at no time in history has a 9/11 CTists ever made a claim supported by evidence" troother meme ;)
 
Jonnyclueless said:
It was only known for a few months and it took years to plan out the attack. As already stated, the reason they hit the Pentagon was because the pilot couldn't find the white house. It would have been next to impossible to find the school house, not to mention it would have served very little purpose for such a target with little chance of success.

So what would you do? Would you hit a target that has a very high success rate and would make your point clear? Or would you choose one that was nearly impossible and wouldn't strike fear into a population as much as it would the administration?


NOW. Please explain to us how you know that by the president remaining in the most secure area and not putting himself intentionally in danger by leaving the secure area that this proves an inside job. Don't sit here and pretend you aren't making that claim, sit here and show us how you know this. We want YOUR explanation now.
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As already stated, the reason they hit the Pentagon was because the pilot couldn't find the white house.

got evidence?

and where did i say this proofs an inside job? i didnt

and by the way, how could they be sure that all atacks would be with planes?

and i also dont think they should have rushed in and scare the kids to death and let them behind in panic.

and sorry, i really start to wonder when a president does not react after geting told his country is under atack.

what would you have done in his situation?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
As already stated, the reason they hit the Pentagon was because the pilot couldn't find the white house.

got evidence?

and where did i say this proofs an inside job? i didnt

and by the way, how could they be sure that all atacks would be with planes?

and i also dont think they should have rushed in and scare the kids to death and let them behind in panic.

and sorry, i really start to wonder when a president does not react after geting told his country is under atack.

what would you have done in his situation?
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Uh, did you not read the confession from KSM where he talked about the targets? I guess your little conspiracy web sites left that out.

Oh OK. so you don't think there is an inside jobe, and then you agree that there is nothing conspiracy wise about the whole president staying in the school.

What they did had nothing to do with the kids.

What would I have done? I would have done whatever security told me to do. I would trust the people who do this for a living and have the expertise and training to know how to handle these situations. I would know that I myself could do very little if anything in such a situation and would let the people who's jobs it is to handle them do their jobs.
 
KSM? after or before waterboarding? got a credible source?
 
pomeroo said:
You know absolutely nothing about the neo-con "agenda."
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Neither do you, as if I understand the term, you aren't one.

(Under the STRICT definition of the term I am one, though; I am a social Liberal who thinks that projection of military force (to give Diplomacy teeth) is essential to keeping a country this size safe. However, the current crop of folks in office don't seem to understand anything at all about diplomacy, military doctrine, or how to choose your battles...)
 
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