"Jersey Girls"

[Pardalis]

A lot of truthers take the position, of not picking a side. When they can't defend their insane CD theories, is when they become LIHOP, only to post some more MIHOP a few days later.

Yeah, they don't see how inconsistent they are.

Their only means to discriminate facts and information is if whether or not the US is alleged to be involved/guilty. If what they learn incriminates the US, then they'll consider it, no matter what, if it doesn't, they'll dismiss it.

The rest they don't care about: they don't care if the facts are right, the studies are credible, or if any of this makes sense and fits together. They just want the US to be guilty of something, whatever that may be. Talk about having a bias.

 

[WildCat]

A lot of truthers take the position, of not picking a side. When they can't defend their insane CD theories, is when they become LIHOP, only to post some more MIHOP a few days later.

cough...RedIbis...cough

 

[pomeroo]

The Jersey girls are not being used by the movement. They ARE the movement, which they pretty much started based on their own research and lack of responsiveness by the government. Are you aware that they gave the names of potential whistle blowers to the commission who were never called to testify? No wonder they are dissatisfied when few of their questions have been answered.

Have you heard them speak? They are primarily calling for accountability. I haven't seen that anyone was held accountable, only that the lying and manipulative Bush administration took full advantage of the tragedy to further the neo-con agenda as prescribed by PNAC.

You know absolutely nothing about the neo-con "agenda."

 

[tanabear]

You know absolutely nothing about the neo-con "agenda."

If we are so ignorant, then would you care to enlighten us about the neo-con agenda?

 

[gc051360]

If we are so ignorant, then would you care to enlighten us about the neo-con agenda?

Seems like a bit of a derail.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

If we are so ignorant, then would you care to enlighten us about the neo-con agenda?

if we told you we'd have to kill you

 

[gc051360]

The Neo con agenda, is to come up with and carry out conspiracies that make no logical sense.

That way, we distract all of these internet free thinkers. These aren't your normal sheeple. They've seen the Matrix. They know what's up. We distract them with these nonsensical conspiracies.

Meanwhile, since anyone who could stop us (the truthers) are preoccupied with meaningless conspiracies....we are free to steal oil. We then store it at Pomeroo's house. It's in his garage.

Then. When global warming (which we created) melts the ice caps, and oil runs out....we start our post apocalyptic street gang. We drive around in dune buggies, and go carts. Have you seen The Road Warrior? Basically that. We then rule the wasteland that was once civilization.

And I can tell you this, because nobody will believe you. We've distracted the sheeple by using Fox News to our advantage.

eta: Building 7 wasn't us though. That came down due to structural damage from the tower we actually blew up, combined with the unfought fires.

 

[gtc]

- As Commander-in-Chief on the morning of 9/11, why didn’t you return immediately to Washington, D.C. or the National Military Command Center once you became aware that America was under attack?

There are very good reasons why questions like this were not answered.

The government probably does not want people to know precisely what will happen in the event of a terrorist strike. For all the government knows, the real purpose behind a terrorist attack may be to get Bush into a position where he can be targetted by a follow up attack.

More importantly, the attacks would have occurred in exactly the same way, no matter where Bush went or when he departed. The question is completely irrelevant to how and why the events occurred.

I am sure other questions on their list are just as irrelevant or just as much a matter of security.

 

[RedIbis]

The government probably does not want people to know precisely what will happen in the event of a terrorist strike. For all the government knows, the real purpose behind a terrorist attack may be to get Bush into a position where he can be targetted by a follow up attack.

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But we do know how the Secret Service handled Bush in the event of a terrorist attack, and it's such an incomprehensible response, it deserves it's own thread.

 

[beachnut]

You know absolutely nothing about the neo-con "agenda."

That was funny; he is showing his 9/11 truth petition signing side, and left the "smoking gun evidence" in the hearsay ether of 9/11 truth fantasyland.

6 years and Greg is falling back in time to repeat each and every failed idea of 9/11 truth. I suspect his failure to use engineering to prove CD has left him with just hearsay.

Is this oldies week trutherville?

But we do know how the Secret Service handled Bush in the event of a terrorist attack, and it's such an incomprehensible response, it deserves it's own thread.

You have no idea what the SS did on 9/11, and you never will! It is not your business, it will never be! You ideas on this will only result in your inability to connect some more dots you don't have and come up with implied conclusions as bad as all 9/11 ideas.

 

[Walter Ego]

- As Commander-in-Chief on the morning of 9/11, why didn’t you return immediately to Washington, D.C. or the National Military Command Center once you became aware that America was under attack?

This is an unanswered question? Bush did want to return to Washington immediately. He was advised against it by the Secret Service and Cheney.

At specifically what time did [Bush] become aware that America was under attack? Who informed you of this fact?

He was informed by an aide when he was reading 'My Pet Goat.' This was on TV. Remember the expression on his face?

A lot of the Jersey Girls questions have been answered. If they were doing all that research they claimed they did they would have the answers already. They just want different answers.

 

[Walter Ego]

- Why didn't the CIA share vital information about the terrorists with the FBI?

- Why weren’t all suspected terrorists and wanted terrorists placed on watch lists to prevent them from entering our country? Why wasn’t this information shared with the INS guarding our borders?

Lawrence Wright in his book 'Al Qaeda And the Road to 9/11' dealt with the lack of communication and the lack of sharing of information between the various government agencies and the frustrations this caused to the FBI counter-terrorist agents. Did the Jersey Girls read this book?

 

[DavidJames]

But we do know how the Secret Service handled Bush in the event of a terrorist attack, and it's such an incomprehensible response, it deserves it's own thread.

Please do start the thread and when you do please state specifically what should have happened and please, please, provide evidence to support your claim. No one cares what you think the SS should have done. What people care about is what they, per protocol, should have done and did they follow protocol.

Are you up to that? Can you start a thread and present actual, verifiable evidence or will you just ask questions?

Good Luck.

 

[DC]

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The government probably does not want people to know precisely what will happen in the event of a terrorist strike. For all the government knows, the real purpose behind a terrorist attack may be to get Bush into a position where he can be targetted by a follow up attack.

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exactly that is why ppl find it suspect that he stayed in a school, nobody seemed to care for the presidents security, as if they knew he was save, how xould they know?

 

[332nd]

exactly that is why ppl find it suspect that he stayed in a school, nobody seemed to care for the presidents security, as if they knew he was save, how xould they know?

... How many schools were targeted on 9/11? Until the planes started crashing into buildings, how many knew how the hijackings would end? How many people have you been a bodyguard for? It seems "seems" is the key word in your post.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

exactly that is why ppl find it suspect that he stayed in a school, nobody seemed to care for the presidents security, as if they knew he was save, how xould they know?

People find it suspect because they are complete idiots who don't know the first thing about security. The school was the ONLY secured place. The route to the plane and any place outside of the school was not. The stupidest thing the SS could have done was remove him from the school before the area was secured. I mean we're talking pretty stupid thing to do.

With the logic of the twoofers, one need only cause some big incident that would cause the President to leave a secure area where he could then be ambushed on the way to his plane. One need not be too smart to understand this. Or we can be even stupider and think that a terrorist is going to plan everything in a couple months and try to visually find a little school from the air without being noticed. Heck, the only reason the Pentagon was hit was because the pilot couldn't find the white house.

So I can understand someone not being bright enough to understand how security works, but the ones who think the school was in danger of being hit by a plane? Well, that goes beyond stupidity.

 

[thatsmystory]

Lawrence Wright in his book 'Al Qaeda And the Road to 9/11' dealt with the lack of communication and the lack of sharing of information between the various government agencies and the frustrations this caused to the FBI counter-terrorist agents. Did the Jersey Girls read this book?

Wright's account isn't definitive. That isn't a knock on Wright rather it speaks to the difficulty in getting access to sensitive information.

Because there was a preexisting indictment for bin Laden in New York, and al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi were his associates, the bureau already had the authority to follow the suspects, wiretap their apartment, intercept their communications, clone their computer, investigate their contacts--all the essential steps that might have prevented 9/11. (pg. 330-331)

Soufan wondered why money was leaving Yemen when a major operation was about to take place. Could there be another operation under way that he didn’t know about? Soufan queried the CIA, asking for information about Khallad and whether there might have been an al-Qaeda meeting in the region. The agency did not respond to his clearly stated request. The fact that the CIA withheld information about the mastermind of the Cole bombing and the meeting in Malaysia, when directly asked by the FBI, amounted to obstruction of justice in the death of seventeen American sailors. Much more tragic consequences were on the horizon. (page 329)

Then the CIA chief drew Soufan aside and handed him a manila envelope. Inside were three surveillance photos and a complete report about the Malaysia meeting-the very material Soufan had been asking for, which the CIA had denied him until now. The wall had come down. When Soufan realized that the agency and some people in the bureau had known for more than a year and a half that two of the hijackers were in the country, he ran into the bathroom and retched. (page 362)

He doesn't seem to buy into the 'Gorelick wall' excuse.

Clarke, Hadley and Rice attended the July 10, 2001 'urgent briefing' with Tenet. Still waiting for any of these officials to explain how CIA/FBI turf battles affected their own conduct. Did any of these officials think it might be a good idea to bring the FBI into the loop? If so why didn't they?

 

[thatsmystory]

People find it suspect because they are complete idiots who don't know the first thing about security. The school was the ONLY secured place. The route to the plane and any place outside of the school was not. The stupidest thing the SS could have done was remove him from the school before the area was secured. I mean we're talking pretty stupid thing to do.

With the logic of the twoofers, one need only cause some big incident that would cause the President to leave a secure area where he could then be ambushed on the way to his plane. One need not be too smart to understand this. Or we can be even stupider and think that a terrorist is going to plan everything in a couple months and try to visually find a little school from the air without being noticed. Heck, the only reason the Pentagon was hit was because the pilot couldn't find the white house.

So I can understand someone not being bright enough to understand how security works, but the ones who think the school was in danger of being hit by a plane? Well, that goes beyond stupidity.

Is it idiotic to wonder why Bush didn't follow up with Card to get more information? Bush's response made no sense. No curiosity. No concern. Nothing to indicate that the President was in the loop during a national crisis. Was this proof that he was a front man in charge of photo ops, merely using the powers of the Presidency to run interference for the Rumsfeld/Cheney cabal?

I haven't heard a good explanation for his conduct in over six years.

 

[beachnut]

exactly that is why ppl find it suspect that he stayed in a school, nobody seemed to care for the presidents security, as if they knew he was save, how xould they know?

Only someone who lack knowledge on 9/11 would even bring up Bush at the school, or mention errors about what was said on 9/11

So, if you were president you would run out and hide where? Why is the President at risk at a small school in FL? The aircraft were hitting the biggest office buildings in the world, not schools. This is the red flag argument that shows you lack knowledge and the logic to make conclusion on 9/11 right out of the box. Did you just wake up recently to 9/11? Where have you been for 6 years. This is old debunked junk and has no real bearing on 9/11.

So if I was in charge of the SS; I would call the airport and put Air Force One on alert! I would have the Military plan on meeting AF1 and provide air cover; this takes time, it could take an hour to arm and get fighter escort; even longer! Why does 9/11 truth even use this lame Bush at the school ploy to gain those who lack knowledge? (oops, did I answer the question in the question?)

The bush at school ploy; old and worn out.

 

[Tweeter]

Yeah, its a good idea to endanger grade school kids after you`re notified the country is under attack. Wonder why those darn terrorists dont ever go after any bigger fish. Hmmmm