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JEROME - Black holes do not exist

Dancing David said:
Words don't exist as abstractions only through mutal reference to referents in reality.
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Exactly the point I was trying to make earlier:

If words that describe reality as dismissed as being meaningless, then they must be replaced with other words that describe the same reality. What's the point?
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
That is measuring the relation of one body to another.

That is not the measure of the force called gravity.


Control and use have different meanings. Would you like me to post them?
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Hey dude, take your Victorian absolutism to the philosophy forum, this is the post modern forum.

Words have the meaning that we assign to them, the ontology of the behavior that we describe as 'the force of gravity' is unknowable.

Operationalism/functionalism rules and your neoplatonism has no value.

We can only assign meaning to words, the actual mechanism that creates the behavior in objects know and commonly labeled as 'the force of gravity' is not something that matters. tghis is the science section, most people here already knwo and aknowledge that words have no inherent or absolute values but only have meaning in the symbolic exchange of ideas in idiomatic self reference.

Nobody cares about the ontology of the behavior known as 'the force of gravity'.

Geesh, you are arguing with the wrong people, this is common knowledge in this forum.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
To regulate.
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Meaningless, some things can't be regulated, so what?
To have the power over.
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See, here is more of that Victorian absolutism, meaning comes through control. that is sooo patriarchal last century!
Let me know when you can stop, start, and control the amount of gravity.
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What a bizzare Xian based patruarchal derivation of the meaning of science, nature red in tooth and claw harnessed to the industry of man.

Whooptee freaking doo.

You are like stuck in the 1820s or something.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
We do it all the time with chemical reactions.
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That is so funny, are you sure that is what you meant? Perhaps the EM forces, which aren't really controlled either, just that manipulation of objects. Which are goverened by the probability of brownian motion and aggregate uncontrolled interactions.


Does chemistry really effect the neutrons protons and quarks? What a treat you are Jerome!

BTW your slip is showing in your signature.
You believe in some sort of neoFreudian claptrap.
Instincts do not exist in human beings, there is biological stereotypic behavior until about the age of six weeks and then it is gone. No instincts, just more Victorian or Edwardian psychobabble.

So you suscribe to hookum of the first order in your signature!
 
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Trolling, trolling, trolling, JEROME keeps on trolling, rawhide……..

If we could not measure gravity, we could not send any satellites in orbit and/or to the other planets. If one knows the mass of any object one can easily calculate the force of gravity of that object.

Also gravity is scaleable, meaning that if one where to make a ball one, let say one millionth the diameter of the earth and place it very far into deep space well away from any large bodies. And if one would make a ball one millionth the diameter of the moon, and place that small moon one millionth the distance from the earth to the moon, and set that small moon in motion at one millionth the speed of the moon to put it in orbit around that small earth, it would take one month for the small moon to orbit the small earth.

Paul

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Jerome, I'm going to give you a list of some forces. I would like you to pick one and explain how it is, under your definitions, measurable and controllable. Ideally, I would also like to know how it is fundamentally different from gravity.

  • Mechanical
  • Friction
  • Tension
  • Centripetal
  • Torque
  • Normal
  • Magnetic
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
You control the force by using the force to manipulate objects. In the case of gravity you are only manipulating objects.


Can you not honestly see the difference?

:boggled:
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Of course you are boggled, you don't apply critical thought to your own thinking.

Um, rigid meaning went out the door around 1915 and the door was shut in the twenties and thirties.

These arbitrary distinctions don't exist except in your head. You are so stuck in some sort of bizzare Victorian Ayn Randian mix, dude get over yourself, you cling to your own concepts and don't examine them.

Pott meet Kettle.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Anyone is free the address either contention.


Gravity is not a controllable force.

Gravity is not a measurable force.


Personally insulting me only evidences that your minds are that of children in the sandbox.

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Um dude, get over yourself, you engage in this childish behavior all the time. Post some more irrelevant pictures please.

By your standard there are no forces that can be measured or controlled.

How do you measure electrical potential or magnetic repulsion?

You draw arbitrary lines in your own minds and then act like others are ignorant because they don't agree with your mind. Wordss only have meaning through mutual self consensus to referents. You are goof.

You are so stuck in your absolutist thinking, take a note from Interesting Ian, you do not apply critical thinking to your own beliefs and therefore you are a cynic, not a scpetic, and as bad as the "most dewey eyed believer".
 
JEROME, something occurred to me last night. We can sense gravity - directly. We have an entire sensory apparatus which is dedicated to detecting gravity. The semicircular canals of the inner ear are used for balance - in other words, it is how we know where gravity is and our relation to it.

We know gravity exists because we can feel it. We know it exists for the same reason we know that light and heat exist. We have a direct sensory appreciation of the effects of gravity.
 
arthwollipot said:
JEROME, something occurred to me last night. We can sense gravity - directly. We have an entire sensory apparatus which is dedicated to detecting gravity. The semicircular canals of the inner ear are used for balance - in other words, it is how we know where gravity is and our relation to it.

We know gravity exists because we can feel it. We know it exists for the same reason we know that light and heat exist. We have a direct sensory appreciation of the effects of gravity.
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So, you are implying that JEROME is in touch with his body, well go figure. :jaw-dropp

Paul

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Dancing David said:
Um dude, get over yourself, you engage in this childish behavior all the time. Post some more irrelevant pictures please.

By your standard there are no forces that can be measured or controlled.
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arthwollipot said:
JEROME, something occurred to me last night. We can sense gravity - directly. We have an entire sensory apparatus which is dedicated to detecting gravity. The semicircular canals of the inner ear are used for balance - in other words, it is how we know where gravity is and our relation to it.

We know gravity exists because we can feel it. We know it exists for the same reason we know that light and heat exist. We have a direct sensory appreciation of the effects of gravity.
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I do not deny that gravity exists, that was a straw-man someone threw out there.

The point is the force is neither measurable nor controllable.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
I do not deny that gravity exists, that was a straw-man someone threw out there.

The point is the force is neither measurable nor controllable.
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It is measurable - step on your bathroom scales.
It is controllable - we can make objectes of different masses that have different amounts of gravity. Also have you ever heard of satellites, man on the moon, etc.?
 
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Reality Check said:
It is measurable - step on your bathroom scales.
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Already addressed. That is the relationship between two objects that is being measured, not a measure of the force of gravity.


It is controllable - we can make objectes of different masses that have different amounts of gravity. Also have you ever heard of satellites, man on the moon, etc.?
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Really, we make objects that have different measurable and controllable gravity?

Such as?
 
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Reality Check said:
It is controllable - we can make objectes of different masses that have different amounts of gravity. Also have you ever heard of satellites, man on the moon, etc.?
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Yes, all objects that have mass have gravity, has I have stated above, and it is easy to calculate.

Paul

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