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JEROME - Black holes do not exist

JEROME DA GNOME said:
Already addressed. That is the relationship between two objects that is being measured, not a measure of the force of gravity.
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No the relationship is the distance between you and the bathroom scales or the fact that you are standing on them.
The measure of the force of gravity on you is the reading on the scales.

Or maybe you have a different definition of measurement? Is a length measured on a ruler a measurement or a relationship? Is the current read on an ammmeter a measurement or a relationship?

JEROME DA GNOME said:
Really, we make objects that have different measurable and controllable gravity?

Such as?
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The apparatus that are used to test the force of gravity in experiments, e.g. the pendulums in torsion balances.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Please, how does one calculate the force of gravity of each of two oranges?
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You use a torsion balance to measure it.

F = GMm/r2 where M and m are the masses of the orange to calculate it.
(One of these days you are going to have to go to high school and learn this)
 
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JEROME DA GNOME said:
[qimg]http://fstdt.com/winace/pics/temper_tantrum.jpg[/qimg]
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That is a great picture! What I said about your false dichotomy applies, by your standard you cant measure anything. You were wrong about many other things, but all measurements involving the interaction betwen objects. Try looking through your beliefs more often.

How does a thermometer work, certainly not through control, the motion of the molecules trapped in a cylinder is still chaotic and random. The contraint of the molecules of alcohol, water and coloring, or the motion of the atom of mecury is still uncontrolled. It is only by looking at the motion of the objects that the measurement of temperature occurs.
 
Reality Check said:
No the relationship is the distance between you and the bathroom scales or the fact that you are standing on them.
The measure of the force of gravity on you is the reading on the scales.
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How do you calculate the gravity of the bathroom scale into the equation?

How do you calculate the gravity of the human in the equation?
 
Reality Check said:
You use a torsion balance to measure it.

F = GMm/r2 where M and m are the masses of the orange to calculate it.
(One of these days you are going to have to go to high school and learn this)
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That equation is calculating the relationship of each orange to the Earth. It is not calculating the gravity of the orange.


Please, what is the gravitational force of each orange?
 
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JEROME DA GNOME said:
I do not deny that gravity exists, that was a straw-man someone threw out there.

The point is the force is neither measurable nor controllable.
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Amazing what google can find:

measuring gravity:

http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/ES304/MODULES/GRAV/NOTES/measgrv.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/grace_011218-1.html
http://www.stanford.edu/group/kgb/Research/gravity2.html
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_measure_of_the_force_of_gravity_on_an_object

controlling gravity:
http://www13.big.or.jp/~redsky/grav/eng/p1/ep1s1i5.htm


There's more, but I feel like I'm doing Jeromes homework for him.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Already addressed. That is the relationship between two objects that is being measured, not a measure of the force of gravity.
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And what can be measured that is not through the relatioship of objects. Really you have got me stumped, I can't think of any.
Really, we make objects that have different measurable and controllable gravity?

Such as?
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Please don't wire your house if you think you can control the flow of electrcity, um, it is better to turn off the switch at the main first. Still some standard that I can't fathom, I am trying but still not seeing your POV. What forces do you think we can manage and control. Manipulate, yes, I can see that.

Is that what you mean, manipulate? Because switching circuits is a lot like measuring the force of gravity, it is done through the manipulation of objects. We don't really control the electricity, we just sort of manipulate the objects that give an appearance of control, but please don't stick your finger in a live circuit. The switch opens and close the channel for the flow of the differential in electrons, but it is not like we control the electrons, they pretty much do what they are going to do.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
I can control a thermometer.

:gnome:
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But your are just observing the behavior of objects.


To quote you,

"Not the relationship of objects to one another, the force of gravity."

So now I ask how do you measure temperature?

"Not the relationship of objects to one another, the temeprature."

I know that you will say that is not the same, I will learn by why you think it is not the same.

One involves the measurement of 'force' through the relationship of objects.

One involves the measurement of 'temperature' through the relationship of objects.

So what am I missing, why are they different? the measurement of anything is always through relationships of objects.

BTW, how do you control a thermometer? That one I don't get. The same way you control a gravitometer?
 
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Dancing David said:
Please don't wire your house if you think you can control the flow of electrcity, um, it is better to turn off the switch at the main first. Still some standard that I can't fathom, I am trying but still not seeing your POV. What forces do you think we can manage and control. Manipulate, yes, I can see that.

Is that what you mean, manipulate? Because switching circuits is a lot like measuring the force of gravity, it is done through the manipulation of objects. We don't really control the electricity, we just sort of manipulate the objects that give an appearance of control, but please don't stick your finger in a live circuit. The switch opens and close the channel for the flow of the differential in electrons, but it is not like we control the electrons, they pretty much do what they are going to do.
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Really, you can control (To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over; direct.) gravity?

:dl:
 
Holy Cavendish, this is still going on...a pair of equal and opposite forces going ballistic.

glenn:boxedin:
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Really, you can control (To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over; direct.) gravity?

:dl:
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Do you really have authority or dominating influence over electricity?

I don't see the difference. I can use the force of gravity by pumping water, or hauling buckets to a high place and exploiting the kinetic energy, I can make little sluices and paddle wheels to manipulate that force. Which is exactly the same as an electrical circuit, I would be using gravity any time I powered an engine on a small paddle wheels.

Do not them hydro electric projects manipulate and control gravity.

That is why i chose electricity, i figured it would be analogous to water and gravity.

No?
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
That equation is calculating the relationship of each orange to the Earth. It is not calculating the gravity of the orange.

Please, what is the gravitational force of each orange?
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The gravitational force of each orange in the gravitational file of the Earth is:
F = GMm/r2 where M is the mass of the Earth and m is the mass of the orange.

Can I ask whether you have attended high school? I thought that this simple stuff was covered there but maybe the good old USA waits for university to do this. Otherwise you really should go back to high school and find out what else you have forgotten.
 
Children do this all the time.

First, let us take the moon, now on the surface of the moon the gravity is about 1/6 of earth’s, but that is on the surface, so……..

Mean density of the moon is 3.3464 g/cm³

Mean density of the earth is 5.5153 g/cm³

So the moon is about .6067 as dense as the earth

Now the mean radius of the moon is 1,737.1 km

And the earth’s mean radius is 6,371 km

So the moon is about .27265 is size of the earth
So multiply .6067 times .27265 and we get .16543 g’s or about 1/6 g at its surface.

So a 10 cm orange is about 7.848 ^ -9 of the earth’s radius

It has the density of about 1 g/cm³

So the orange is about .18131 as dense as the earth

So multiply 7.848 ^ -9 times .18131 and we get 1.423 ^ -9 g’s or about 702,759,526 times weaker than the earth's gravity at its surface.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
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JEROME DA GNOME said:
Nope, I am controlling the behavior of the objects.


I am amazed that you can not control the behavior of a thermometer. My children understand how to control the behavior of a thermometer. :)
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:) and I hate to ask this, but i really can't see what you are getting at.

Pray tell master, how do they control the behavior of the thermometer?
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Really, you can control (To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over; direct.) gravity?
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Sure. As has been explained already, (but you will ignore) you add or subtract the mass of an object, thus altering its affect on a neighboring object.

Since gravity is the force that objects have over each other, you can't have gravity without mass. Now, I am a layperson, and I will happily admit I may have some of the details wrong.
 
Dancing David said:
:) and I hate to ask this, but i really can't see what you are getting at.

Pray tell master, how do they control the behavior of the thermometer?
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First he is getting at nothing, and second, rub your hands together to make them hot and put the thermometer in between them and before you mother comes back to your room but it back in your mouth, geeeeeeeeee.

Paul

:) :) :)

a mouth thermometer stays at the highest temp. that it reads.
 
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