Jenny Moore, dead in hotel room.

[kellyb]

Where did Snopes get the picture of Jenny? I betcha' she accidentally turned the camera on herself in one of those videos! All we need now is some one to go through all the videos and confirm.

kellyb you know what you have to do.

Snopes actually edited their article to say "Added clarification that a photograph used online to promote the claim surrounding Jen Moore is not of her."

 

[Elagabalus]

Damn your thoroughness, Snopes! Damn you!!

 

[kellyb]

Damn your thoroughness, Snopes! Damn you!!

That George dude just lies in all the videos. Watching them is pointless.

He has a paper trail, though:

https://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder...omb-charleston-arrested-zanesville/403032001/

ZANESVILLE - A man who federal authorities suspected was involved in reporting a dirty bomb at the Port of Charleston in South Carolina was arrested on unrelated charges in Zanesville early Thursday morning.

George W. Sweigert, 56, was booked into the Zanesville City Jail for having physical control of a vehicle while intoxicated.

In another video posted by Jason Goodman, titled "Getting the Dirty Bomb Story Straight," Sweigert said he was interviewed by FBI agents and had been detained in the Zanesville City Jail.


Phipps said FBI agents spoke to Sweigert but could not comment any more on the investigation. Don Wood, a supervisory special agent at the FBI office in Columbia, South Carolina, said no one has been arrested in connection with the incident and the investigation is ongoing.

If you go back in time with google searching for the name "George Sweigert", you see him (?) pop up here in 1996:

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/85/630/490180/

David George Sweigert, proceeding pro se, appeals a district court order and judgment denying his motions for relief from judgment pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 60(b). This case has been referred to a panel of the court pursuant to Rule 9(a), Rules of the Sixth Circuit. Upon examination, this panel unanimously agrees that oral argument is not needed. Fed. R. App. P. 34(a).

Sweigert's complaint was filed as a qui tam action under the False Claims Act. 31 U.S.C. §§ 3730-3733. Sweigert named Electronic Systems Associates, Inc. (ESA) and its president, Lemuel Kinney, accusing Kinney, through his corporation, of willfully misrepresenting material facts to the government, resulting in mischarges on certain federal contracts in violation of the False Claims Act. Sweigert was terminated from employment at ESA in November of 1991.

About that company:

https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/02-1990.pdf

In Electronic Systems Associates, Inc. 138 the GSBCA held that because Strategic Defense Initiative (Star Wars) is a weapons system, research on computer technology that is or may be an integral part of the system is excluded from the Brooks Act.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/895/1398/46979/

Because the Air Force proposed to conduct the procurement as a total small business set-aside, Electronic Systems filed a protest with the board on March 10, 1989. The protest alleged violation of several statutes and regulations, including the Small Business Act and the Federal Information Resources Management Regulation. The Air Force responded, and the board agreed, that the Warner Amendment to the Brooks Act, Pub. L. No. 97-86, tit. IX, Sec. 908, 95 Stat. 1117 (1981) (codified as amended at 40 U.S.C. § 759(a) (3) (C) (Supp. V 1987)), deprived the board of jurisdiction to entertain the protest.
In particular, the board rejected Electronic Systems' argument that characterizing three systems within the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) program, for which the procurement was chiefly intended, as "weapons" or "weapons systems" or as having a "military mission" would be inconsistent with the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty between the United States and the Soviet Union (ABM Treaty).

He's named as being in the Air Force, here, about half way down on the left:

http://www.ftva.org/hilltopnews/1982/HilltopNews01Apr1982.pdf

Are David George Sweigert and George W Sweigert the same person?

Look at the pictures here:
http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com...olpman-lifting-veil-alt-media-actors-6-21-17/

And here:
https://twitter.com/TheHoneybee_/status/874296571680235521

There's This Guy:
https://casting360.com/portfolio/?view=1108109

And now things get REALLY interesting:

https://www.slideshare.net/dgsweige...-the-cognitive-threat-of-conspiracy-theorists

 

[Axxman300]

There have been half-suspicions about Roger Clinton in the past. That could have been the sort of thing Jenny Moore, or whatever her name is, was investigating before she got bumped off. As somebody has been quoted the mainstream media will not touch it with a bargepole:

http://www.sunray22b.net/bloody_bill_clinton.htm

Again, you've cited no proof.

Half-suspicions by whom? Roger isn't very bright, and has been caught a couple of times.

The Clintons have no influence beyond the fund raising circuit. Their insider connections didn't help Hillary in 2008 or 2016. In 2016 Hillary's emails were hacked and exposed to the world, where are the bodies? Where are the pedophile safe-houses and sex parties?

Fox News is a dedicated right-wing news service devoted to attacking all things left-wing in the US. They have chased every allegation down and found nothing beyond the financial doings.

The Bernie Sanders-wing of the party has yet to provide anything related to murder or pedophilia.

The reason for this is that there is nothing to reveal.

 

[Whip]

Half-suspicions by whom?

that would be alleged half-suspicions

 

[Kid Eager]

Again, you've cited no proof.

Half-suspicions by whom? Roger isn't very bright, and has been caught a couple of times.

The Clintons have no influence beyond the fund raising circuit. Their insider connections didn't help Hillary in 2008 or 2016. In 2016 Hillary's emails were hacked and exposed to the world, where are the bodies? Where are the pedophile safe-houses and sex parties?

Fox News is a dedicated right-wing news service devoted to attacking all things left-wing in the US. They have chased every allegation down and found nothing beyond the financial doings.

The Bernie Sanders-wing of the party has yet to provide anything related to murder or pedophilia.

The reason for this is that there is nothing to reveal.

But that won't stop Henri chasing down anywhere that contains anything supporting his preconceptions. No critical analysis required. Welcome to the Reflexive Loop...

 

[Henri McPhee]

But that won't stop Henri chasing down anywhere that contains anything supporting his preconceptions. No critical analysis required. Welcome to the Reflexive Loop...

It looks to me as though Clinton's uncle was a bad character as well. I don't know a great deal about Roger Clinton but I believe he has been in prison. Far be it from me to suggest that all this might be connected in some way to the JonBenet Ramsey murder, or even Madeleine McCann abduction, but it's an interesting thought.

There is an article on the internet about all this which seems to be geared to the Illuminati conspiracy, which I must confess is a bit beyond my comprehension, and which may not necessarily be true. There is a quote which may be relevant to the bumping off of Jenny Moore, or whatever her real name and occupation was:

www.illuminati-news.com/bill-clinton's-criminal-background.htm

In Arkansas there is a law saying that autopsy is not necessary if the deceased through a court-order can be classified to have committed suicide. This law was written by Bill Clinton. Almost every death around his person has been classified as suicide.

 

[kellyb]

There is a quote which may be relevant to the bumping off of Jenny Moore, or whatever her real name and occupation was:

www.illuminati-news.com/bill-clinton's-criminal-background.htm

Have you ever read something from an obviously questionable source and, like, made an attempt to verify it?

ETA: how would a hypothetical Arkansas-specific law be relevant to "Jen Moore"?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Trump called Hillary Clinton 'crooked Hillary' during the election campaign.

How do you know this?

It's what I read in the newspapers and see Trump saying it on TV. Perhaps Fox News changes the soundtrack?:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-58...losing-election-amid-dispute-immigration.html

Ah, you got it from the mainstream media, who you called an untrustworthy propaganda machine.

How do you pick and choose which reports from the media to believe?

Porpoise of Life: good point, but not exactly what I was aiming at. I was thinking more of this:

There used to be a saying that you should not believe everything you read in newspapers. The press don't like controversy or public criticism and they believe in keeping it dark.

I would have thought Trump calling Hillary crooked counts both as controversial and as public criticism.
Plus, Henri McPhee, you are still accepting a newspaper report- and it doesn't get much more mainstream than the Daily Mail- as accurate.
Which of your contradictory positions is correct? Does the media report controversy and criticism or not, and when do you choose to believe what you read, and when do you not?
Enquiring minds wish to know.

 

[Henri McPhee]

Plus, Henri McPhee, you are still accepting a newspaper report- and it doesn't get much more mainstream than the Daily Mail- as accurate.
Which of your contradictory positions is correct? Does the media report controversy and criticism or not, and when do you choose to believe what you read, and when do you not?
Enquiring minds wish to know.

This matter was discussed in a book called Keeping it Dark or The Censor's Handbook published in England sometime in the 1930s. I agree that in recent times internet articles have not been so fearful. Those articles may sometimes be inaccurate, but as far as I know the mainstream media have not touched this Jenny Moore case, or the possible connection to the Clintons with a bargepole. I suppose the mainstream media have a problem with libel laws to contend with, and they have been accused in the past of being run by their advertising departments. It interests me because there has been deafening silence about bugging and other matters by the mainstream media in the past:

It may, indeed, often happen that the few papers of comparatively disinterested and independent views are small, and struggling but so-called impartiality frequently bespeaks amateurishness and irresponsibility.

The serious aspect of the situation is rather the absence in England of just those spirited periodicals which exist abroad solely for the reason that they are avowed organ of minor interests, if not political or economic perhaps sectarian or territorial, which in this country pass almost totally unrepresented.

What our newspapers gain in good humour and the absence of scurrility they may lose in refraining from pointed and useful criticism. Their assumption of representing the interests of all, irrespective of classes, inevitably results in an amorphous product, devoid of definite opinion on just those issues where controversy makes most contribution to life...…….

 

[Axxman300]

It looks to me as though Clinton's uncle was a bad character as well. I don't know a great deal about Roger Clinton but I believe he has been in prison. Far be it from me to suggest that all this might be connected in some way to the JonBenet Ramsey murder, or even Madeleine McCann abduction, but it's an interesting thought.

It's not an interesting thought, it's pathetic. This statement is in no way rational.

There is an article on the internet about all this which seems to be geared to the Illuminati conspiracy, which I must confess is a bit beyond my comprehension, and which may not necessarily be true. There is a quote which may be relevant to the bumping off of Jenny Moore, or whatever her real name and occupation was:

www.illuminati-news.com/bill-clinton's-criminal-background.htm

What if I told you a lot of us ARE Illuminati?

By definition, our mission is to enlighten with the use of reason and logic to chase away the shadows of superstition, and the fantasies of the socially inbred.

Case in point, the dreck you just linked to is not an "Article", it's the rant of an emotionally disturbed man. Let's look at his bio in his own words:

In 1985 I was pretty confused about life. I was single, drank quite a lot of alcohol, and thought that life had lost its meaning, more or less. Then, by accident, I stumbled upon a secret society. At this time, for personal reasons, I prefer not to say which one.

So an alcoholic joined an "evil group" but refuses to name it.

Then there's this gem:

To me, the 80s was a dark era in the history of mankind. The hippie movement had died out, except for some lingering hippies whom were stuck on drugs and since long had abandoned their ideas of a solution. People seemed to wander around aimlessly, without goals, seeming to care more about taking Jamaica vacations or staying in nice Cancun hotels. The music industry promoted hard rock and heavy metal, which eventually developed into the pure satanic death metal.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/biography.htm

It needs no comment.

Right off the bat, if this source represents the level of intellectual and factual information you are in deep trouble.

 

[kellyb]

Those articles may sometimes be inaccurate, but as far as I know the mainstream media have not touched this Jenny Moore case, or the possible connection to the Clintons with a bargepole.

How are they supposed to investigate a journalist who basically didn't exist and was fabricated by overtly fake news outlets?

I'm getting the distinct impression that you're not even discussing any of this in good faith here.

 

[BStrong]

How are they supposed to investigate a journalist who basically didn't exist and was fabricated by overtly fake news outlets?

I'm getting the distinct impression that you're not even discussing any of this in good faith here.

You only need to review the body of work for absolute confirmation of your impression.

 

[kellyb]

What I find most interesting of all about the voat discussions about "Jen Moore" (Jem777 at voat.com) is how what appeared to be a "troll army" as well as a "bot army" would fall out of the sky whenever she was mentioned or posted.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2689008
(that's just one of many discussions about the pro-Jem777 trolls and bots)

If snopes hadn't said the local police confirmed that there really was someone named Jennifer Moore who died, I'd write the whole thing off as an elaborate hoax from the alt right fake news world, be they Russian sponsored or GOP sponsored or whatever.

It still seems like it has to be some sort of hoaxing operation. "George Webb" and his "brother" (who is almost definitely just him under a sockpuppet) has a troll/bot army surrounding him, too, supporting him.

The only thing I can figure is that some US gov entity decided that if the Russians were going to play "fake news with a troll army" games with the most gullible US citizens, maybe they had a right to fight back and make troll army-ing both a science and an artform?

I remember looking into what was later confirmed as Russian propaganda back in 2016, and you could really tell that the people running it were either not Americans, or they were just trolling teenagers. The fake accounts had no coherent ideology.

Whatever this GeorgeWebb/CrowdsourcetheTruth "world" is, it's much more sophisticated.

This comment from last year makes me laugh:

The George Webb Reality Show-- entertainment, fan fiction, larping, school play, limited hangout, disinformation campaign, or truth? We live in crazy times.

It ain't the truth, and it ain't a "limited hangout". The rest of that, yeah.

 

[kellyb]

Here's something really interesting about George. This is the first mention of him on the internet:

https://www.google.com/search?q="Ge...=cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/1984,cd_max:12/31/2005&tbm=

(Just a google search of "George Webb Sweigert" set for 1985-2005)

This:
http://knowitall.cs.washington.edu/leibniz/cleanlists/person.list

Playing with the url, to remove the "/leibniz/cleanlists/person.list", it takes you here:

http://knowitall.cs.washington.edu/leibniz/

http://projectsweb.cs.washington.edu/research/knowitall/

Part of the Turing Center of the Uni of Washington:
http://turing.cs.washington.edu/

The Center was established in May 2005 with a multi-million dollar gift from the Utilika Foundation, which is augmented by federal research grants and contracts from the National Science Foundation, the Office of Naval Research, the Army Research Office, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, and the Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity as well as support from Google and the Washington Research Foundation.

That would explain the pro-"george webb" pro-Jem777/"Jen Moore" bots! LOL

And wow...I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole if I were any flavor of real journalist, either.

 

[kellyb]

Also, over on voat, this is a thread from yesterday:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2697673

Since the Jem777 shills are still going strong on their attacks of the users, mods, voat, and their sliding of the forum and misleading of the researchers, the idea of doing the same has been floated past me.

I thought perhaps flairs would work better - the normies still allow CSS and would see the flair, while the goat-tier would see right through the subversives right away.

 

[Henri McPhee]

If snopes hadn't said the local police confirmed that there really was someone named Jennifer Moore who died, I'd write the whole thing off as an elaborate hoax from the alt right fake news world, be they Russian sponsored or GOP sponsored or whatever.

It still seems like it has to be some sort of hoaxing operation. "George Webb" and his "brother" (who is almost definitely just him under a sockpuppet) has a troll/bot army surrounding him, too, supporting him.

I agree that the whole thing is a mystery. I would like to see some firm evidence that this Jenny Moore actually existed and that she died. I would also like to see an honest autopsy and for the real culprits to be caught if it was a murder. I still think that the long line of deaths connected to the Clintons is suspicious and that child prostitution and bugging is covered up in America.

There is a bit of background to this in this old newspaper article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Vince-Foster-vanished-National-Archives.html

Hillary's denunciation of Foster in front of White House aides is consistent with her treatment of the Secret Service agents who protect her. As detailed in The First Family Detail, the presidential candidate is so nasty and abusive to her own Secret Service agents that being assigned to her detail is considered a form of punishment.

 

[kellyb]

I agree that the whole thing is a mystery. I would like to see some firm evidence that this Jenny Moore actually existed and that she died. I would also like to see an honest autopsy and for the real culprits to be caught if it was a murder. I still think that the long line of deaths connected to the Clintons is suspicious and that child prostitution and bugging is covered up in America.

There is a bit of background to this in this old newspaper article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Vince-Foster-vanished-National-Archives.html

I really don't think child prostitution is systemically covered up in America. There's some that almost definitely happens that goes undetected, probably at the highest levels, but that would only be because smart "elites" would have the tools to cover their tracks completely. It's just one of those unfortunate facts about the nature of injustice in the universe.

People like the Clintons are going to be surrounded by a neverending string of deaths, some suspicious, because they're just so well-connected, and people die.

Suspicious deaths happen. I'm a total nobody in my late 30's, and I've been connected to some people who died who, if the tale were told in a certain way by people who hated me for strictly political reasons (initially), could be "spun" to create a narrative of something sinister going on around me.

I strongly dislike the Clintons (I think they're neoconservatives who destroyed the US leftwing by infiltrating and taking over the Democratic Party) and I've looked into the Vince Foster thing before, and there's no there, there. The more you closely look into it, the less fishy it seems. I promise.

What do you mean about "bugging" being covered up in the US?

 

[Henri McPhee]

I really don't think child prostitution is systemically covered up in America. There's some that almost definitely happens that goes undetected, probably at the highest levels, but that would only be because smart "elites" would have the tools to cover their tracks completely. It's just one of those unfortunate facts about the nature of injustice in the universe.

People like the Clintons are going to be surrounded by a neverending string of deaths, some suspicious, because they're just so well-connected, and people die.


What do you mean about "bugging" being covered up in the US?

I agree the Vincent Foster case may be one of insufficient evidence, but it seems odd that the FBI are trying to cover it up.

The fact is that child prostitution scandals have been on the internet for years and years with regard to the Bush family, but it always leads nowhere. It's the same with the Clintons. FBI agent Robyn Gritz, a friend of Jenny Moore seems to have been able to shed some light on the matter, but I don't know if she is being told to shut her/his trap. In the JonBenet Ramsey case Nancy Krebs made accusations against Fleet White and her own mother with regard to child prostitution. Internet posters then had a huge campaign against her saying it doesn't happen. There is a bit of background to all this as it applies to the UK:

https://www.oye.news/news/child-abuse/child-abuse-coverup-police-whistleblower/

Police whistleblower, Detective Constable John Wedger tells how the Met Police treat sexually abused children in London.

They do it by not investigating child prostitution and child sexual abuse. They do it by protecting child traffickers and bullying and sacking those Police Officers who do want to protect children and prosecute abusers. An eye opening police conspiracy which leaves children to be exploited by organised criminals inside and outside the police force. NSPCC also come in for criticism for only providing one case known to the Detective from their childline.

Freemasonry and organised crime is involved in conspiracy with Politicians and senior people in positions of power. – Justice Denied

 

[Henri McPhee]

What do you mean about "bugging" being covered up in the US?

Edward Snowden raised the matter of bugging and privacy in America a few years ago and he was immediately accused of treason who should be executed. That's why he went for political asylum in Russia. I agree that bugging and phone tapping is not unknown in Russia either. I don't know if Jenny Moore was bugged, but I would not be at all surprised. The matter is never given any publicity in the mainstream media. There seems to be a newspaper article from the Irish Examiner about this sort of thing, but none from the UK or America that I can find:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/government-confirms-it-raised-bugging-with-us-248007.html

Duncan Campbell, a surveillance expert who revealed the presence of the spying programme Echelon said: “I would not expect any US ops in Dublin. Britain bugs Ireland from top to bottom for the Five Eyes.”

Mr Campbell said this has been going on for decades, as illustrated in the case taken to the Court of Human Rights by the Irish Council of Civil Liberties and the British Liberty body, in which the court found against Britain in 2008.