Merged Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did.

[BStrong]

There is quite an amusing quote from the biased trial judge, Judge Dupree, in that MacDonald legal defense document which is on Google under the heading 'This Document is offered as a summary of the evidence...WRAL.c..' which has rather a complicated url.

Personally, I have always agreed with what one of MacDonald's military lawyers once in 1970, who said that he couldn't see why people thought that what MacDonald said happened didn't happen:

Facts not in evidence.

Unattributed quotes? par for the course.

Anything cited by an individual without credibility can be dismissed out of hand.

 

[byn63]

Which is pretty much worthless.

Which you aren't.

Assuming facts not in evidence.

Everybody likes waffles.

I certainly do, savory and sweet waffles.....waffles and fried chicken yum! What's not to like about waffles?

 

[Henri McPhee]

OMG you cannot be serious henri. IT IS FACT THAT PJ FIBERS WERE FOUND ON THE CLUB AND PLACED IN A PILL BOX. This is NOT something you get to make up an opinion about - it is FACT. IT IS ALSO FACT that Shirley Green is the one who found the pj fibers and moved them into a pillbox, describing her actions in her bench notes.



Excuse me what "hairs and fibers" did Murtagh arrange to have reinvestigated?

The defense brought allegations of Brady Violations forward and NO COURT FOUND ANY SUCH VIOLATIONS. Don't you get tired of making up your own arguments? Even the myriad defense attorney's don't believe the nonsense you spew forth....why must you do so? IF you truly believe inmate is innocent then why not use FACTS to argue your point rather than red herrings and slanted odd-ball beliefs related to items that have already been argued - res judicata - the thing has been judged.

you have no credibility and making these arguments now are not going to improve your position.....

For some strange reason Judge corrupt bias Fox wrote in his 2014 ruling that it's "unequivocally true" that Kathy Bond had nothing to do with her handwritten labs notes. I think Kathy Bond needs to be questioned about all this, though she will probably keep her mouth shut.

The fact is that Browning of the Army CID lab testified at the MacDonald trial that there were just pajama fibers on the wooden club murder weapon. That's dishonest, or incompetency. The expert FBI lab examiner Frier by February 1979 had discovered black wool fibers with no known source on the murder weapon, and other fibers. That information was never disclosed to the defense, and certainly not to the jury, and it should have been.

As I have said before, I have grave doubts that there were any pajama fibers on the murder weapon. There is a memo on the internet from Hoover of the FBI in 1970 saying the FBI should have nothing to do with the MacDonald case because it had been poorly investigated by the Army.

There is some background information about all this from that legal document by MacDonald lawyer Widenhouse in 2013:

However, the government
suppressed the fact that FBI analysts in 1978 reexamined the fibers from the club and determined
there were also black wool fibers on it, fibers that did not match any fabric in the MacDonald home.
And not only were these inexplicable black wool fibers found on the murder weapon, similar black
wool fibers were found on the mouth and body of Colette MacDonald. Also, synthetic blond wig
hairs of up to 22 inches in length were found in the MacDonald home. Without an evidentiary
hearing, the district court, relying in part on an affidavit by now discredited FBI agent Michael
Malone that the synthetic blond hairs were not used in wigs but only in dolls, denied the motion.
In 1997, MacDonald sought to reopen the matter after obtaining evidence that Malone’s affidavit
was false. But the district court concluded MacDonald failed to show fraud by clear and convincing
evidence. But all of this evidence is significant corroboration of MacDonald's account of intruders.

 

[BStrong]

For some strange reason Judge corrupt bias Fox wrote in his 2014 ruling that it's "unequivocally true" that Kathy Bond had nothing to do with her handwritten labs notes. I think Kathy Bond needs to be questioned about all this, though she will probably keep her mouth shut.

The fact is that Browning of the Army CID lab testified at the MacDonald trial that there were just pajama fibers on the wooden club murder weapon. That's dishonest, or incompetency. The expert FBI lab examiner Frier by February 1979 had discovered black wool fibers with no known source on the murder weapon, and other fibers. That information was never disclosed to the defense, and certainly not to the jury, and it should have been.

As I have said before, I have grave doubts that there were any pajama fibers on the murder weapon. There is a memo on the internet from Hoover of the FBI in 1970 saying the FBI should have nothing to do with the MacDonald case because it had been poorly investigated by the Army.

There is some background information about all this from that legal document by MacDonald lawyer Widenhouse in 2013:

Who cares what you think about the issue? You have no credibility.

Assuming facts not in evidence. No evidence that the fibers are exculpatory. Who cares what you think about the issue? You have no credibility.

Who cares what you think about the issue? You have no credibility.

You have no credibility. Any cite you provide can be dismissed out of hand.

Just like your man Gunderson, Your woman Stoeckley or your man Britt.

 

[byn63]

For some strange reason Judge Fox wrote in his 2014 ruling that it's "unequivocally true" that Kathy Bond had nothing to do with her handwritten labs notes. I think Kathy Bond needs to be questioned about all this, though she will probably keep her mouth shut.

The very distinguished and honorable Judge Fox stated it is unequivocally true because it is indeed true. Shirley Green handled the fibers and her handwritten notes were initialed by her. It is not strange at all that Judge Fox noted the FACTs in evidence.

The fact is that Browning of the Army CID lab testified at the MacDonald trial that there were just pajama fibers on the wooden club murder weapon. That's dishonest, or incompetency. The expert FBI lab examiner Frier by February 1979 had discovered black wool fibers with no known source on the murder weapon, and other fibers. That information was never disclosed to the defense, and certainly not to the jury, and it should have been.

I do not believe that is quite accurate - Browning testified that there were pj fibers found on the club he didn't say there were no other fibers found. however, as the other fibers were UNSOURCED they are/were forensically useless. You've been told this FACT before. The defense was aware of the fibers, but I doubt if the jury heard about them, because they are useless since they are not sourced. HOWEVER, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence showing that the family owned dark woolen clothing, throw rugs, afghans etc. AND it is FACT that inmate burned, gave away, or otherwise destroyed all such items at the end of the Article 32. THAT FACT would make the presence of dark woolen fibers ominous to inmate....that he destroyed any possession that included such fibers shows an consciousness of guilt. The jury COULD have been told that......

As I have said before, I have grave doubts that there were any pajama fibers on the murder weapon.

too bad, henri. just because you don't LIKE FACTS doesn't mean you get to pretend they do not exist. there is plenty of evidence showing the fibers were found on the club and placed in a pillbox. throwing a temper tantrum doesn't make this any less a FACT.

There is a memo on the internet from Hoover of the FBI in 1970 saying the FBI should have nothing to do with the MacDonald case because it had been poorly investigated by the Army.

really? I cannot find any such memorandum. I have found a telex and other documentation from February 1970 that shows that the FBI was withdrawing their efforts on the case BECAUSE THE US ARMY CONSIDERED INMATE THE MAIN SUSPECT. Therefore, it was the USCID/USCIL that had to do the investigation. Produce your memo henri.....I want to see it!

 

[JTF]

CSI Did Not Exist In 1970

During his closing arguments at the 2012 evidentiary hearing, Brian Murtagh pointed out that 1970 crime scene preservation/analysis "was not CSI," ergo, the presence of extraneous hairs/fibers was not an uncommon occurrence. Lauding unsourced household debris as evidence of intruders is just another defense-related red herring. The potential ramifications of this scenario is one of the reasons why the FBI placed a premium on SOURCED evidence and deemed unsourced evidence as "forensically insignificant." Speaking of SOURCED evidence, ALL of the SOURCED evidence in this case links inmate to this horrific crime. This includes DNA, blood, hairs, fibers, bloody footprints, fabric damage and bloody/non-bloody fabric impressions.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[Henri McPhee]

really? I cannot find any such memorandum. I have found a telex and other documentation from February 1970 that shows that the FBI was withdrawing their efforts on the case BECAUSE THE US ARMY CONSIDERED INMATE THE MAIN SUSPECT. Therefore, it was the USCID/USCIL that had to do the investigation. Produce your memo henri.....I want to see it!

It comes from that MacDonald lawyer Widenhouse 2013 legal document. There is masses of evidence there against the Stoeckley group. Widenhouse says the evidence against MacDonald is hardly compelling.

Murtagh's explanation for the black wool fibers with no known source is that there are photos of Colette once wearing a black dress! it would be funny if it wasn't so serious. That's quite ludicrously unsatisfactory evidence. The Army CID had every opportunity to discover any evidence of black wool fibers in the MacDonald apartment. No black wool fibers were found.

This matter of Hoover of the FBI is mentioned in that Widenhouse legal document in 2013:

and closely observing his actions and manner of answering questions it [was Colonel Rock’s
opinion] that [MacDonald] was telling the truth.”
Colonel Rock filed a 90-page report, summarizing more than 2,000 pages of transcript
produced during the investigation. He observed: “Considering all known facts about the life and
previous history of [MacDonald] up to and including 17 February no logical motive was established
for [MacDonald] to have committed such brutal murders, either singly or in any combination.”22
His report included two dramatic recommendations that should not be lost upon this Court in
examining the newly discovered evidence in the context of “the evidence as a whole:”:
1. That the charges against Dr. MacDonald should be dismissed because they were “not
true.”
2. That the appropriate civilian authorities should be requested to investigate Helena
Stoeckley.
On 23 October 1970, the charges against Dr. MacDonald were dismissed. After all the charges
against MacDonald were dropped, he was honorably discharged. At that point, then FBI Director J.
Edgar Hoover sent a telex to the Charlotte office stressing:
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD WE BECOME
INVOLVED IN THIS MATTER SINCE THE ARMY HANDLED THIS
CASE POORLY FROM ITS INCEPTION. IF THERE IS ANY
INDICATION THAT THE USA ANTICIPATES AUTHORIZING
PROSECUTION, SUCH A MOVE WILL BE OPPOSED BY THE
BUREAU AND TAKEN UP WITH THE DEPARTMENT ….
Office of Director Hoover, telex to SAC Robert M. Murphy, Oc. 28,
1970 (emphasis added).

 

[Henri McPhee]

I'll try linking that complicated url of the Widenhouse MacDonald defense document in 2013 to this forum. I can't quite see why biased Judge Fox dismissed it out of hand, unless he is in the pay of Saudi Arabia:

http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/news/local/2013/04/01/12292164/MacDonald_4_1_13_Response_To_ORder.pdf

 

[byn63]

you said there was a memorandum from J Edgar Hoover calling off the FBI blah blah blah. Whatever nonsense that was in Gordie's paperwork DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A MEMORANDUM. I have looked, found several telex that say the FBI is stepping back because the US Army is handling this case. You claimed there was a memo, I want to see it. IF as you claim it is on the internet then how come I cannot bring it up?

Oh, right its another "disappearing" document that could save inmate's bacon, and you are the only one who has ever seen it......

 

[Ygraine]

And now Saudi Arabia is in on the conspiracy? Wow.

 

[JTF]

How Do You Type Wearing A Straight Jacket?

Fred Bost and Jerry Allen Potter spent 13 years attempting to connect the Army conspiracy dots. The result was a bag full of nothing. They joined Ted Gunderson and Ken Adachi on conspiracy island. This island doesn't require critical thinking skills or tangible proof that the visitors have taken their prescribed medications. Considering the content of his posts, I would not be surprised if Henriboy has bought a time share on this island.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[BStrong]

I'll try linking that complicated url of the Widenhouse MacDonald defense document in 2013 to this forum. I can't quite see why biased Judge Fox dismissed it out of hand,unless he is in the pay of Saudi Arabia:

http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/news/local/2013/04/01/12292164/MacDonald_4_1_13_Response_To_ORder.pdf

Really? I've pointed it out every single day lately.

You have no credibility. Any thing you cite can be dismissed out of hand.

Credibility, Henri. It's what you don't have, and what witnesses or evidence must have.

 

[Henri McPhee]

Fred Bost and Jerry Allen Potter spent 13 years attempting to connect the Army conspiracy dots. The result was a bag full of nothing. They joined Ted Gunderson and Ken Adachi on conspiracy island. This island doesn't require critical thinking skills or tangible proof that the visitors have taken their prescribed medications. Considering the content of his posts, I would not be surprised if Henriboy has bought a time share on this island.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

The point is that the MacDonald case was bad police work The Army CID and FBI should have followed the evidence, instead of making up evidence to sway a jury to win at all costs with a prosecution.This is one example where they were idle and incompetent, if not corrupt, from that Widenhouse 2013 legal document about a summary of the evidence:

Lynn Markstein was involved in a traffic accident in Raleigh, North Carolina in August 1979,
which caused her to be at Wake Memorial Hospital for treatment. While in the X-ray room, she met
Stoeckley who said she was in town to testify at the MacDonald murder trial. Markstein signed a
declaration on August 12, 1979, in the middle of the trial stating that Stoeckley had admitted
involvement in the MacDonald murders to her. Stoeckley said that “she was at the MacDonald
house at the time the murders occurred” and that “she remembered standing over a child in a bed.”
Stoeckley also said that the child was covered in blood. Markstein said that Stoeckley’s statements
in the X-ray room “were clear and explicit.” [1984 Defense Motion for a New Trial, Declaration
of Lynn Markstein]

 

[Henri McPhee]

More from that Widenhouse 2013 legal document:

In a sworn affidavit, Everett Morse, Greg Mitchell's neighbor in 1973, stated under oath that
Mitchell threatened that he would murder him just like he had murdered Jeffrey MacDonald’s
family. [DE-124 at 3] Morse then stated Mitchell threatened to kill him if he told anyone about
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Mitchell's involvement in the MacDonald murders.

 

[Henri McPhee]

Leads and suspects were disregarded by the Army CID, and by the FBI. It was never a complete investigation. Judge corrupt bias Fox suffers from want of judgment. Most internet posters are sparrow brained. These are more examples of bad police work from that 2013 Widenhouse legal document:

D. Corroboration of Stoeckley, Mitchell, and others in Fayetteville in 1970
In late 1969 and early 1970, Keith Bowen (Bowen) and Gary Mitchell associated with a
group of soldiers or ex-soldiers and other young men and women who lived in the Fayetteville area,
including Mitchell, Stoeckley, Harris, Perry, Jackie Don Wolverton, and a black man who wore an
Army jacket with sergeant stripes and was known to Gary Mitchell and Bowen as “Moses.” [1984
Defense Motion for a New Trial, Declaration of Keith Bowen] Everyone in the group used LSD
and speed at that time on a regular basis. Id. at 24. The group had two primary hangouts in the
Fayetteville area, the Village Shoppe Restaurant and Rowan Park, which was also known as Skag
Park. Id.
Harris admitted associating with Stoeckley and Mitchell in Fayetteville in 1970. [1984
Defense Motion for a New Trial at 15] Harris also frequented the Village Shoppe and Dunkin'
Donuts restaurants in Fayetteville and knew a black man nicknamed “Smitty” at that time. Id.
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E. Corroboration of the Stoeckley Group Acitivites Before the Murders
Either on 16 February 1970 or a day or so before, Mable Campbell, a Fayetteville resident,
saw two white males, including one identified as Mitchell, with one black male and a white female
wearing a floppy hat and boots by a dark colored vehicle at a drive-in at Fort Bragg. [1984 Defense
Motion for a New Trial, Declaration of Mable Campbell] The female resembled Stoeckley. Id.
On 16 February 16, 1970, between the hours of 6:00 and 7:00 p.m., John Humphries
(Humphries), a former military policeman and member of the police reserve, saw three men, two
white and one black, enter his shop in Fayetteville. 1984 Def. Mot. For New Trial, John Humphries
Decl. The three men matched the descriptions of Mitchell, Harris, and Smitty and appeared to be
high on drugs. When the three men left the store, they got into a parked van in which a girl wearing
a white floppy hat was sitting. The day after the MacDonald murders, Humphries contacted both
the FBI and CID to report his observations. Id.
On 16 February 1970 at 9:40 p.m., Edith Boushy (Boushy), an English professor at North
Carolina State University Extension (where Colette was a student), saw a group of young people at
the school, including a woman wearing a white floppy brim hat, a light cream colored plastic coat,
dark skirt, and white boots, and another woman wearing a brown floppy brim hat, and a man
resembling Mitchell. [1984 Defense Motion for a New Trial at 25] The man backed Colette
against the wall and said something to the effect of “if you go along, I think it will be all right.” to
which Colette replied, “I dread … “ Id. at 26. Boushy reported her observations to two Army
investigators within a few days of the murders. Id. at 26.
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At about midnight on February 16, Frankie Bushey, a Fayetteville resident, saw a white
female enter Dunkin’ Donuts with three white males. The woman resembled Stoeckley and wore
a light colored floppy hat and white boots which came just below the knee. [1984 Defense Motion
for a New Trial at 26] One of the men was unshaven, husky, rough-looking, and strongly resembled
the police sketch of one of the intruders described by MacDonald. Id. at 26. One had a dark
complexion and slanted eyes, and the third was short, had a fair complexion, squinted eyes, walked
with a slouch, and strongly resembled Mitchell. Id. at 26. The woman and the short white man in
the group appeared to be high on drugs. The black man was wearing a dark sweater, dark trousers,
and an olive drab field or fatigue jacket. Id. at 26.
At approximately 1:30 p.m., Marian Campbell, a Fayetteville resident, saw a woman
resembling Stoeckley wearing a floppy hat and boots, a black man wearing an Army fatigue jacket
resembling the black intruder described by MacDonald, and one white man leave Dunkin’ Donuts.
[1984 Defense Motion for a New Trial at 26] The white male and the woman appeared to be high
on drugs. Id. at 26. A few minutes after they left, a dark colored van stopped parallel to the window
at Dunkin' Donuts. Id. at 26. The black man was driving the van, and a motorcycle driven by a
white man pulled alongside the van next to the driver’s window. Id. at 26-27. The black man
leaned out and said loudly to the motorcycle driver, “we’ll see you there.” Id. at 27.
Archie Mallow, who worked as a baker at Dunkin’ Donuts in 1970, knew a black man known
as “Smitty” who hung out at Dunkin’ Donuts, usually wore an Army fatigue jacket, did not own a
car, and sometimes borrowed a friend’s motorcycle. [1984 Defense Motion for a New Trial at 27]
Smitty left the Fayetteville area at about the time of the MacDonald murders. Id. at 27.
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At approximately 2:00 a.m. on the night of February 16, Jimmy Friar, a patient at the
Womack Hospital at Fort Bragg, was in Fayetteville and inadvertently called Dr. Jeffrey
MacDonald’s telephone number. [1984 Defense Motion for a New Trial at 27] The phone was
answered by a woman who was laughing, and he heard someone in the background say “hang up
the God damn phone.” Id. at 27. At that point the phone was disconnected. Id. at 27.
Shortly after 2:00 a.m. on February 17, 1979, Military Policeman Carlos Torres saw a dark
blue van parked on Bragg Boulevard about 60 to 75 yards from the intersection of Honeycutt and
Bragg. [1984 Defense Motion for a New Trial at 27] The side doors to the van were open, and the
inside lights were on. Id. at 27. Three white males walked quickly from the trees on the side of the
road towards the van and got into the van with the overhead light on. Id. at 27. One man had an
afro hairstyle, one man had stringy “brownish or blondish” hair, and the third man had a short
military-type haircut. Id. at 27. The third man wore a brown jacket and has been identified as
resembling Harris. Id. at 28. The wooded area which the three men left abuts the MacDonald
neighborhood. Id. at 28. The distance from the MacDonald residence on Castle Drive to the woods
is approximately 40 yards. Id. at 28. There is a path through the woods which leads to the place
where the van was parked and that distance is approximately 30 yards. Id. at 28.
On or about February 17, Averitt drove to a grocery store at 4625 Murchison Road in
Fayetteville. [1984 Defense Motion for a New Trial at 28] When she pulled in, she saw two men
sitting in the back seat of the dark car parked outside the store. Id. at 28. One man was slumped
over, the other looked alert. Id. at 28. Averitt entered the store where she saw a woman she
identified as Stoeckley, who was wearing a blond wig that was falling off and exposing her dark
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hair, a wide-brimmed weather hat, a light cream colored plastic coat, a dark skirt, and ¾ length
white boots which were covered with a dark brown substance. Id. at 28. Stoeckley smelled like a
“hog killing” and seemed to be in a fog. Id. at 28. When Averitt attempted to speak with Stoeckley,
a black male wearing an Army field jacket and black boots put his grocery items back in the cooler,
walked to where Averitt and Stoeckley were standing, and directed Stoeckley to leave with him.
Id. at 28. Averitt did not come forward until shortly before the hearing on the new trial motion
because she was afraid. Id. at 28-29.
On February 17 around 9:00 or 10:00 a.m., Joan Green Sonderson (Sonderson), a waitress
at a Fort Bragg drive-in restaurant, saw three people sleeping in a dark colored sedan. [DE-126-2
at 28–29] One was a white woman with blond hair and a floppy hat and beige boots which appeared
to be muddy. Another was a black man who was wearing an Army fatigue jacket and dark civilian
pants, and Sonderson identified him as the black male depicted in the artist's sketch. The woman
resembled the woman depicted in the 1979 police artist sketch. Sonderson engaged in a
conversation with the young woman, who asked Sonderson whether she knew that members of the
MacDonald family had been murdered the previous night. Sonderson had not heard of the murders
at the time.

 

[BStrong]

The point is that the MacDonald case was bad police work The Army CID and FBI should have followed the evidence, instead of making up evidence to sway a jury to win at all costs with a prosecution.This is one example where they were idle and incompetent, if not corrupt, from that Widenhouse 2013 legal document about a summary of the evidence:

They did follow the evidence to the correct conclusion.

You have no credibility. Any cite you provide can be dismissed out of hand.

 

[BStrong]

Leads and suspects were disregarded by the Army CID, and by the FBI. It was never a complete investigation. Judge corrupt bias Fox suffers from want of judgment. Most internet posters are sparrow brained. These are more examples of bad police work from that 2013 Widenhouse legal document:

The investigation was adequate for prosecuting and convicting JM.

Who cares what you think about the issue? You have no credibility.

You have no credibility. Any thing you cite can be dismissed out of hand.

 

[JTF]

Fantasy Island

HENRIBOY: Back to the old "lack of a proper investigation" chestnut, eh? In the past 14 years of true crime forum trolling, you've made this claim at least 50 times and that claim is part and parcel of CHALLENGE NUMBER 3. As if you required a reminder, I challenged you to provide documented proof that the CID and/or FBI failed to investigate a known intruder suspect.

As a whole, the MacDonald Camp has studiously ignored the following CID investigation and have taken a piece meal approach to the investigation undertaken by the FBI.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/html/reinvestigation.html

Since you don't think critically and rely on the perceptions/claims of others for your rambling narratives, I will assist you in checking off the suspects who were investigated by the CID and/or FBI.

Helena Stoeckley
Greg Mitchell
Don Harris
Dwight Smith
Cathy Perry
Bruce Fowler
Janice Fowler
Allen Mazzerolle
Kenneth Barnett
Annette Cullity
Gary Burnett
Joseph Lee

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/html/suspects.html

 

[Henri McPhee]

HENRIBOY: Back to the old "lack of a proper investigation" chestnut, eh? In the past 14 years of true crime forum trolling, you've made this claim at least 50 times and that claim is part and parcel of CHALLENGE NUMBER 3. As if you required a reminder, I challenged you to provide documented proof that the CID and/or FBI failed to investigate a known intruder suspect.

As a whole, the MacDonald Camp has studiously ignored the following CID investigation and have taken a piece meal approach to the investigation undertaken by the FBI.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/html/reinvestigation.html

Since you don't think critically and rely on the perceptions/claims of others for your rambling narratives, I will assist you in checking off the suspects who were investigated by the CID and/or FBI.

Helena Stoeckley
Greg Mitchell
Don Harris
Dwight Smith
Cathy Perry
Bruce Fowler
Janice Fowler
Allen Mazzerolle
Kenneth Barnett
Annette Cullity
Gary Burnett
Joseph Lee

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/html/suspects.html

The FBI have recently been described on TV as keystone cops with regard to their investigation in the past into Al-Qaeda. Either that or they don't have enough detectives and professional criminal investigators, or a specialist homicide bureau. The FBI don't seem to understand that suspects in a horrible murder case sometimes lie like troopers and keep their mouth shut. This is one example by Butch Madden of the FBI with regard to suspect Dwight Smith. An astute detective would have investigated further:

www.the jerffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/aff3-madden-1984-07-12.html

3. In the late 1960's he became acquainted with Helena Stoeckley who frequented the Little Theater and a pizza shop in the Haymont area of Fayetteville, North Carolina. Smith was aware that Stoeckley was a drug user and in his opinion mentally unstable. He did not counsel her, but he was aware she had serious personal problems. Smith recalled her father was a Colonel in the Army assigned at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Smith stated he never socialized, dated, or partied with Stoeckley. He saw her frequently as she was continuously in the Haymont Section, but noted he did not associate with or counsel Stoeckley. Smith stated he has never indulged in black magic or cult activities and to his knowledge Stoeckley was never involved in these things. He did not know Stoeckley to be involved in witchcraft; however, after the MacDonald murders occurred, he recalled reading in the newspapers that she indicated she may have been involved or had knowledge of the MacDonald murders, but Smith had no knowledge of this information. He repeated his association with her was extremely limited.

4. He noted that in 1970, he resided in an apartment complex at 1810 Fort Bragg Road, Fayetteville, North Carolina, and he is known by the nickname of "Smitty". He resided in the same apartment complex as did Pat Reese.

5. He could not recall the names or identities of any of Helena Stoeckley's friends and/or associates. He was of the opinion she resided somewhere in the Haymont area, possibly with her parents. The names of Bruce Johnny Fowler, Shelby Don Harris, Allen Patrick Mazerolle and "Wizard" meant nothing to him whatsoever. He believes he remembers the name of Gregory Howard Mitchell and thinks Mitchell was probably acquainted with Helena Stoeckley, although he could not provide any information regarding Mitchell.

6. He could not recall specifically where he was during the evening of February 16 or the early morning hours of February 17, 1970. He does remember that during the early or mid-morning hours of February 17, 1970, that Ray Davis and Cuyler Windham, SBI Agents, came to his residence and spoke with him and Pat Reese regarding the MacDonald murders. They were seeking information from Smith and Reese as to possible suspects as the SBI had a description of a group of individuals which may have participated in the MacDonald murders. To the best of Smith's recollection, he was unaware of the MacDonald murders until informed about same by Windham and Davis. Windham and Davis were obviously looking for help as to suspects as he worked closely with them with various drug users. Smith noted he did many programs of a community nature at schools and churches regarding drugs with Windham and Davis. To the best of his recollection, at the time he was contacted he could not furnish any suspects to Windham and Davis. He advised Helena Stoeckley never entered his mind as a suspect and it was his recollection that after the murders, she started wearing a brown floppy hat which was kind of a joke among the drug scene in Fayetteville, North Carolina, as it was felt she was merely wearing the hat to gain attention and a possible connection with the MacDonald murders.

7. After the MacDonald murders, he "heard" information from some unrecalled person that maybe Stoeckley was involved in the MacDonald murders or had knowledge of the murders and in fact had made some statements to this effect, but he discounted the veracity of her story because she was a "scatterbrain" who was always attempting to gain attention by acting in an unusual manner.

8. Smith advised that he left Fayetteville, North Carolina, during the summer of 1971 and moved to Washington, D.C., and was employed at the Veterans Administration Hospital in connection with a drug program. After several years there, he worked with the Woodburn Mental Health Center in Virginia until approximately September, 1980. Since that time he has been unemployed and recently moved to San Francisco, California.

9. Smith stated he did not participate in the MacDonald murders, had no knowledge of anyone who did, never met Dr. MacDonald or his family members and could provide absolutely no information regarding the MacDonald case. He noted he is willing to submit to a polygraph examination at any time and will testify in a court of law to the above interview.

 

[BStrong]

The FBI have recently been described on TV as keystone cops with regard to their investigation in the past into Al-Qaeda. Either that or they don't have enough detectives and professional criminal investigators, or a specialist homicide bureau. The FBI don't seem to understand that suspects in a horrible murder case sometimes lie like troopers and keep their mouth shut. This is one example by Butch Madden of the FBI with regard to suspect Dwight Smith. An astute detective would have investigated further:

www.the jerffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/aff3-madden-1984-07-12.html

Who cares what you think about the issue? You have no credibility.

Why would the F.B.I. have a homicide bureau?