Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
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Lets start by fixing your post so I can read it more easily since you don't seem to want to yourself.
Oh look, you can even do it with the menu bar.
I don't know anything about this case except the basics and Morris' book discussion. But right away I find the issue of suppressed evidence is clearly controversial and contradicts your claim no such evidence exists.
Corroborated here in a MacDonald-is-guilty site:
Despite his portrayal in "Fatal Vision," a new book contends he was wrongly convicted of murdering his wife and children
So, with 28 years following the case, whose bloody palm print was that?
Oh look, you can even do it with the menu bar.
So you post your way and the rest of us can just figure it out. Nice.SG said:"After 49 posts you might want to learn how to use the 'reply with quote' function."
SG: I've posted on discussion boards since 2004, and that has been my style from Day One.
The thread was gone and now it's back? That's your claim? Hard to believe.SG said:"I found the duplicate thread with a simple search of thread titles for "MacDonald"."
SG: A few days ago, there were 5 pages of threads on the Social Issues topic, but this thread was gone.
You're welcome.SG said:"Also a useful task for any new member to learn how to do. But even simpler was to just go to your "subscribed threads". You appear to be subscribed to only 6 threads.[/url] You'll find "subscribed threads" in the drop down box under "user CP" in the forum menu bar."
SG: Thanks.
So say you. I don't get that impression at all.SG said:"As adamant as you are about "knowing the truth" others are equally adamant that they know a different truth."
SG: Different truth, eh? Nonsense. Morris is simply blathering away about perception in order to gloss over the facts of this case.
So say you again. Critics don't agree. I didn't hear any of that from the Book TV program.SG said:"I did not get the idea Morris was "playing games"."
SG: In regards to this case, Morris is the ultimate game player. Judging by the FACT that he avoids 90 percent of the government's case in his book, he is also a coward. He chides Joe McGinniss for misleading MacDonald about the conclusions drawn in Fatal Vision, yet Morris flat-out lied to me and everyone he spoke to about this case in regards to his stance on MacDonald's guilt or innocence. So, Morris is a con man, a coward, and a hypocrite.
Definitely not what Morris has to say on the matter. But at least here's something that can be addressed. See where I addressed this below to make it more clear, that is the actual discussion of the case.SG said:"I do have an opinion on the too frequent police and prosecutorial incompetence and misconduct. I also have an opinion on the effect of a narrative on people's perception of 'evidence'."
SG: The prosecution presented over 1,100 evidentiary items at the 1979 trial and that was only about 60 percent of their case file. This included blood, hair, fiber, bloody footprint, fabric damage, and bloody fabric impression evidence. The AFIP's DNA test results produced 5 inculpatory results. Not one hair, fiber, or fingerprint has been sourced to a known intruder suspect. Not one. Morris, however, is so arrogant that he flat-out ignores all of that in favor of a gut feeling. Morris isn't big on critical thinking.
Sounds to me like you are an anti-MacDonald groupie yourself. How should I deal with that?SG said:"Why should we believe your truth and not Morris' or Henri's?"
SG: Morris is an attention-seeker with an agenda whereas Henri is a MacDonald groupie. Henri has been posting for years on MacDonald case discussion boards and his information is culled directly from MacDonald camp propaganda. My truth is the same truth embraced by the CID, FBI, DOJ, and anyone who has taken the time to read the documented record in this case.
Fascinating. Where's your book?SG said:"I'm curious, why does this case mean so much to you? And is that your own web page that you've linked to?"
SG: That is my website. I state on my Home Page the reasons why I started the website and why this case interests me. I've researched this case for the past 28 years, had conversations with several people involved in this case, and have accumulated a mass of case material (e.g., written correspondence, lab notes, court records, books, and DVD's).
http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
I don't know anything about this case except the basics and Morris' book discussion. But right away I find the issue of suppressed evidence is clearly controversial and contradicts your claim no such evidence exists.
Suppressed Physical Evidence Indicating That Someone Else, Not Dr. MacDonald, Murdered His Family
Although the Army's hearing officer cleared MacDonald, he was later brought to trial in the civilian courts. During that trial, prosecutor Brian Murtagh assured the jurors that nothing was found at the murder scene to support MacDonald's story of intruders. When the defense attorneys asked to see the withheld laboratory notes, so that they could determine for themselves if any corroborating evidence existed, the prosecutor untruthfully insisted that the documents held nothing that supported MacDonald's claims. Upon this promise, the judge then refused to force Murtagh to turn over the documents.
As shown below, those documents, later released through the Freedom of Information Act, contradict the prosecutor's statements. They demonstrate that the Army deliberately suppressed a great deal of evidence that indicated the presence of intruders in the house.
Suppressed Evidence on the Body of Colette MacDonald
Human skin under Colette's fingernail, left hand, was lost. ...
Unmatched black wool fibers were found on Colette's mouth and shoulder and the murder club.. These were not reported. The government tried to source the black wool to garments in the MacDonald home but could not. At trial, the presence of black wool fibers on the murder club was kept from the jury. These fibers were also important because Stoeckley was known to have affected a wardrobe of black clothing.(CID Lab Note, March 6, 1970; FBI Lab Notes)
A 2 inch long pubic hair between Colette's legs, not belonging to Jeff MacDonald or any known source, was identified via DNA tests.
A blue acrylic fiber found in Colette's right hand could not be sourced to the fabrics and clothing in the MacDonald home. Another blue acrylic fiber was found where Jeffrey MacDonald said he lay unconscious. ...
Suppressed Evidence on the Bodies of Kimberley and Kristen
A brown hair, with root intact, was found under Kimberley's bloody fingernail. This hair was found not be Jeffrey MacDonald's. It remains a foreign hair in the hand of a murder victim, and was unreported. ...
A bloody hair, root intact, under the nail of 2 year old Kristen was not presented at trial and only disclosed via DNA testing- it remains unsourced. ...
Additional Suppressed Evidence
Blonde, synthetic wig hairs, 22 inches in length, were found in a clear-handled hair brush on a table near the living room where MacDonald said he saw the blonde female and near the phone, which Helena Stoeckley said she answered. These wig hairs would have been critical to MacDonald's defense. Army investigator William Ivory knew Helena Stoeckley wore a blonde wig, which matched the descriptions given by MacDonald and MP Kenneth Mica, but didn't reveal the presence of these long blonde wig hairs at the crime scene. ...
A bloody, adult palm print was found on the footboard of the master bed on the morning of the murders, near Colette MacDonald's body. The print did not match palm prints of either Jeffrey or Colette MacDonald, nor could it be matched to palm prints from persons known to have been at the crime scene that morning. Despite extensive efforts by the FBI, the source of this bloody palm print remains unidentified. ...
Corroborated here in a MacDonald-is-guilty site:
As expected, there remain hairs with DNA sequences that do not match any of the victims, Jeffrey MacDonald, or any now-deceased “hippies.” However, any residence such as the MacDonald apartment would be expected to contain hairs from persons other than the four people who lived there. Evidence presented to the jury in the 1979 trial included numerous unmatched fingerprints, hairs, fibers, and candle wax remains.
Despite his portrayal in "Fatal Vision," a new book contends he was wrongly convicted of murdering his wife and children
In all, Bost and Potter describe in detail 21 items of physical evidence never presented in MacDonald's defense that clearly point to the presence of others. Among them: a bloody syringe and an unidentified piece of skin under Colette's fingernail that was extensively tested and subsequently disappeared when it did not match MacDonald's.
So, with 28 years following the case, whose bloody palm print was that?