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Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

Skeptic Ginger said:
Well there is the fact that the AG who let him off a decade ago is now in Trump's inner circle, and, Trump is defending him. Then there's this: And there is the fact Trump bought the Miss Teen Universe and it isn't clear if he walked into their dressing room(s) though we know he walked into the Miss Universe dressing rooms.
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Yup. Good thing you didn't conflate things to make a political hit piece out of this. Glad to know I was off base..


Skeptic Ginger said:
So I'm not sure I be so quick to dismiss Trump's involvement. Not saying the smoking gun is there. But no way is Trump in the clear.
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Yes, let's speculate. Definitely doesn't prove my point.


I Am The Scum said:
This. As much as I'd like to set politics aside and let justice run its course, I can't ignore the fact that one of the men in Trump's inner circle played an instrumental role in allowing a serial child rapist to walk. Of his own volition, Donald Trump has involved himself in this case. If he wanted to stay out of it, he made the wrong decisions. Criticism is warranted.
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Sideroxylon said:
The swamp of wealthy elites has never been so overtly swampy. The disrespect for checks and balances or the people of America is overwhelming. Trump and his enablers are the worst of the self interested elites many of his supporters despised and sought a disempowerment of. All accountability is gone. The Dem leadership is simply banking on the next election result.
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If justice had run it's course the first time, we wouldn't be in this situation. Please keep pressure on the process running better this time around. I will not argue on those grounds, and whoever get's swept up, the more the better. But you are again centering the case around Trump. In a case that there has literally been no indication he would be involved in.

As for Acosta, I hope all information about the formation of the original plea deal come to light. But I don't see the same backlash in regards to the executive position for that situation. To complain about the situation now, when charges have finally been refiled after all these years, is absurd to me.

Again, I appreciate any pressure put on in regards for getting justice for the victims. But way too many only care about that as a secondary motivation. And that includes many posters here. Smear and accuse political opponents first, anything else just seems a bonus.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Looks like Barr has un-recused himself and is now inserting himself into Epstein's case.
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Not exactly. Barr recused himself from any review of Acosta's deal, and that's still the case. He didn't recuse himself from any new proceedings, so there wasn't actually any un-recusal.
 
rdwight said:
Yup. Good thing you didn't conflate things to make a political hit piece out of this. Glad to know I was off base..

Yes, let's speculate. Definitely doesn't prove my point.
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So should we put you down for denial?

Conflate what? Trump and his sleazy grab them by the pussy, walk into a Miss Universe dressing room history with sleazy Epstein?

What the hell speculation is that?


rdwight said:
If justice had run it's course the first time, we wouldn't be in this situation. Please keep pressure on the process running better this time around. I will not argue on those grounds, and whoever get's swept up, the more the better. But you are again centering the case around Trump. In a case that there has literally been no indication he would be involved in.

As for Acosta, I hope all information about the formation of the original plea deal come to light. But I don't see the same backlash in regards to the executive position for that situation. To complain about the situation now, when charges have finally been refiled after all these years, is absurd to me.

Again, I appreciate any pressure put on in regards for getting justice for the victims. But way too many only care about that as a secondary motivation. And that includes many posters here. Smear and accuse political opponents first, anything else just seems a bonus.
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Help me out here. What specifically are you complaining about?

We know Acosta helped Epstein get off. We know Trump et al vetted Acosta and appointed him to Trump's Cabinet.

Just what is it about those KNOWN FACTS do you think are being misinterpreted?
 
rdwight said:
Yup. Good thing you didn't conflate things to make a political hit piece out of this. Glad to know I was off base..




Yes, let's speculate. Definitely doesn't prove my point.






If justice had run it's course the first time, we wouldn't be in this situation. Please keep pressure on the process running better this time around. I will not argue on those grounds, and whoever get's swept up, the more the better. But you are again centering the case around Trump. In a case that there has literally been no indication he would be involved in.
As for Acosta, I hope all information about the formation of the original plea deal come to light. But I don't see the same backlash in regards to the executive position for that situation. To complain about the situation now, when charges have finally been refiled after all these years, is absurd to me.

Again, I appreciate any pressure put on in regards for getting justice for the victims. But way too many only care about that as a secondary motivation. And that includes many posters here. Smear and accuse political opponents first, anything else just seems a bonus.
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Yeah, no indication except for Katie Johnson’s testimony that Trump raped her at an Epstein party. There is also Trumps own declared friendship with Epstein as well as an acknowledgement of his taste in girls. Yeah, “literally no indication.” At the very least Trump had an idea of what was going on.

And as for people here centering speculation around Trump, who else is there? Bill
Clinton would major Democrat scandal and one that already has Trumplicans in a wary excitement. Prince Andrew has come up as has Trump/Epstein lawyer Alan Dershowitz. Trump as president is the biggest name with long connection to Epstein so quite rightly there is speculation. It will be interesting to watch this unfold and we can only hope the opportunity for justice wont be squandered again as Acosta did. Why hasn’t Trump fired him?
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Help me out here. What specifically are you complaining about?
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Since I've literally said it, quit being obtuse and maybe read, on this same page, exactly what I am complaining about.

Skeptic Ginger said:
We know Acosta helped Epstein get off. We know Trump et al vetted Acosta and appointed him to Trump's Cabinet.

Just what is it about those KNOWN FACTS do you think are being misinterpreted?
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Again, I am quite clear exactly what my issue with how this thread has gone is. You seem hellbent on cementing my point.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Yeah, no indication except for Katie Johnson’s testimony that Trump raped her at an Epstein party. There is also Trumps own declared friendship with Epstein as well as an acknowledgement of his taste in girls. Yeah, “literally no indication.” At the very least Trump had an idea of what was going on.
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So show me something, anything at all that recognizes Trump or Clinton as a target or suspect in regards to this case.


And as for people here centering speculation around Trump, who else is there? Bill
Clinton would major Democrat scandal and one that already has Trumplicans in a wary excitement. Prince Andrew has come up as has Trump/Epstein lawyer Alan Dershowitz. Trump as president is the biggest name with long connection to Epstein so quite rightly there is speculation. It will be interesting to watch this unfold and we can only hope the opportunity for justice wont be squandered again as Acosta did. Why hasn’t Trump fired him?
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Who knows, maybe the direction of the thread shouldn't be about what political opponents we can speculate might be taken down by this? Maybe center the discussion on, oh, I don't know.. Epstein? You know, like my original post directly points out?
 
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rdwight said:
So show me something, anything at all that recognizes Trump or Clinton as a target or suspect in regards to this case.




Who knows, maybe the direction of the thread shouldn't be about what political opponents we can speculate might be taken down by this? Maybe center the discussion on, oh, I don't know.. Epstein? You know, like my original post directly points out?
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We only have Epstein. However as so often has to be pointed out, the whole reason discussion forums roll along is speculation on a case like this. This is patently speculation at this early stage. The obvious subject of discussion here is Epstein and who was at these parties having sex with children, along with who was enabling this crime.
 
This conspiracy, based on factual data, is much worse than the fiction that was Pizzagate, yet I don't think we'll see any Republicans going vigilante for this.
 
For digging deep, The Golden Shovel Award goes to: "Amazing Polly".

AFAIK her findings on Epstein's history and connections seem unrivaled. What could be a better blackmail system against the world's power players than a place like orgy island?


This is bigger than the various euro pedo cases combined, since the 80s

She began by asking who was behind Epstein's rising star ? Connections galore.


She' on Youtube

Amazing Polly

Epstein Stories You Won't Find in the News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc-uysS6Tlw
 
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A new accuser gives some disturbing details (possibly NSFW):

Jennifer Araoz says she was 14 years old when a young woman approached her outside her New York City high school in the fall of 2001.

The woman was friendly and curious, asking Araoz personal questions about her family, her upbringing, their finances. Soon she began talking to Araoz about a man she knew who was kind and wealthy and lived nearby.
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It sounds like classic grooming. The girl was vulnerable because her father had died recently. Very creepy.

The details may be disturbing and possibly NSFW, even though it's NBC News. This guy is such a scumbag.
 
smartcooky said:
This.

Numerous historical rape allegations brought down Bill Cosby and Rolf Harris. Over 25 women have accused Trump of rape or sexual assault, that is more accusers than Cosby or Harris. How is it that Trump has managed to avoid the same axe?

This isn't about politics, its about justice for the victims. I wouldn't care if Trump was left, right or centre. If he really did these things, he should go down for it. If Bill Clinton was involved, he should be in for the chop too!
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Sorry, but it is about politics.This kind of thing has been given a green light by the President of the US and his party. Taking themj down is the highest priority. and is frankly more impoirtant then sending Epstein to jail..though by all means he should be sent.
 
As horrific as this is, it's a symptom of a greater issue. In the US - and in the UK - there's a two or three tier justice system - wealth based, of course - that is, I believe, a problem.
 
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