Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

[applecorped]

"Some of the nude or partially-nude photographs appear to be of underage girls, including at least one girl who, according to her counsel, was underage at the time the relevant photographs were taken."

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/jeffrey-epstein-court-07-08-19/index.html

 

[smartcooky]

Have you thought that some people are not as partisan as you may think and will want to see anyone who has committed crimes that he has been accused off prosecuted, because it is simply wrong?

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[smartcooky]

Well lets just put it this way: if compulsive criminals actually could control their compulsions they wouldn't be compulsive criminals. It was not like as if he was accused of just a singular one-time offence.

Besides, I've not read any actual official statement that said images he was in possession of were illegal. The closest I've seen is this:



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/08/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-charges.html

If the illegality of the images were obvious i would expect them to state that instead of merely making the allegation that they were proof of his "predatory attitude". Hell if possessing such images was evidence of being a sexual predator then just about everyone who has visited a online porn website would qualify as sexual predator, considering there's no shortage of images and videos of "teens".

It could very well be that said images are perfectly legal, regardless of what the prosecutor is seemingly implying.

To be fair, that is not all they say they found, and its not the only description.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffr...-what-the-feds-found-in-his-manhattan-mansion

"A raid on his Upper East Side residence, which is said to be worth $77 million, yielded “an extraordinary volume of photographs of nude and partially-nude young women or girls,”​

Why say "young women or girls" unless you mean that the girls are possibly under age. If they are not under age, then "young women or girls" is a bit redundant.

Also

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffr...-what-the-feds-found-in-his-manhattan-mansion

Already, distressing new details are surfacing in the case. Most notably, when Mr. Epstein’s Manhattan residence was searched over the weekend, according to a court filing from prosecutors, law enforcement officials recovered “hundreds — and perhaps thousands — of sexually suggestive photographs of fully- or partially-nude females,” some of which “appear to be of underage girls.”​

This states pretty clearly that prosecutors believe some of these girls to be under age. If they are able to establish who they are, the rest will be a matter of arithmetic.

 

[Trebuchet]

And, as noted above, they have the identity of one of the girls in the photos, whose attorney says she was underage at the time.

 

[Bogative]

This is interesting if true:

“Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?” Acosta had been asked. Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers in the Trump transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffr...layed-out-for-years-in-plain-sight?ref=scroll

 

[rdwight]

People seem too giddy over this having the possibility of taking down their political foes as opposed to getting justice for the victims..

 

[Puppycow]

People seem too giddy over this having the possibility of taking down their political foes as opposed to getting justice for the victims..

This.

 

[Puppycow]

This is interesting if true:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffr...layed-out-for-years-in-plain-sight?ref=scroll

Told by whom?

 

[wasapi]

I wonder if they have any way to know how many victims there actually are over all of those years. It is staggering to imagine the numbers. Each victim has her own story, her own life.

Those women, those victims, told me about their experiences. A few, a hundred or so female survivors of these types of abuse formed a group they called SAGE. And, I worked at a Sexual Assault Crisis Center. We were called, a group of about 10 Crisis-workers volunteered to go to SAGE's dormitory living quarters.

I have never met women like these before or since. Many had an elegance, a type of natural beauty, some insanely gorgeous, and a sense of class. They had been surrounded by magnificent wealth, as they lived out their torture. AS they were abused, day and night. They also had a similar look in their eyes. These were strong, strong women.

And sometimes, they still needed to vent. They helped me more than I ever helped them.

 

[Puppycow]

About his accomplices (all women) who received immunity

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffr...kova-adriana-ross-and-lesley-groff?ref=scroll

 

[mgidm86]

Weiner wasn't into sex parties on his jet, yacht, apartment and island. So how is sending your dick-pics to a couple underage girls anything whatsoever like Epstein?

And Lewinsky herself said she was a consenting adult.

You might want to think these things through a bit more before you post.

I didn't say he was like Epstein. Weiner is a perv who likes them too young. So is Epstein. And they have both been busted for it now. But other than that nothing at all alike! Perhaps if Weiner had a jet and a private island - oh but no I'm sure he'd be different. He's just a poor widdle small time child porn dude no biggie.

My point (and what I said) was that Clinton hangs out with pervs (two that we now know of) and also likes girls a lot younger than him. Nothing more.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I didn't say he was like Epstein. Weiner is a perv who likes them too young. So is Epstein. And they have both been busted for it now. But other than that nothing at all alike! Perhaps if Weiner had a jet and a private island - oh but no I'm sure he'd be different. He's just a poor widdle small time child porn dude no biggie.

My point (and what I said) was that Clinton hangs out with pervs (two that we now know of) and also likes girls a lot younger than him. Nothing more.

Neither Bill nor Hillary hung out with Weiner. Hillary and Weiner's ex-wife were/are close associates. Bill officiated at their wedding. Obviously they knew each other. But your implication Bill hung out with Weiner is stupid, meaningless.

BBaby is going on and on about his straw man that liberals are ecstatic this might implicate Trump.

No we aren't. But here you are trying to implicate Bill Clinton. (Reminder: Hillary is not POTUS and isn't running for POTUS.)

 

[Bogative]

Told by whom?

Let's hope we find out.

I'd be curious to know if the state prosecutor, Barry Krischer, who only charged Epstein with soliciting a prostitute despite having the same evidence available that Acosta had, received the same message.

 

[Sideroxylon]

People seem too giddy over this having the possibility of taking down their political foes as opposed to getting justice for the victims..

People are fed up with wealthy white males getting away with everything - for many people this is a whole category of “political foe” they want to see brought down and receive justice.

Jeffrey Epstein is the ultimate symbol of plutocratic rot
[…]
Both sides are likely right. The Epstein case is first and foremost about the casual victimization of vulnerable girls. But it is also a political scandal, if not a partisan one. It reveals a deep corruption among mostly male elites across parties, and the way the very rich can often purchase impunity for even the most loathsome of crimes. If it were fiction, it would be both too sordid and too on-the-nose to be believable, like a season of “True Detective” penned by a doctrinaire Marxist.​

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/...-ultimate-symbol-of-plutocratic-rot-1.3951258

Trump has been teflon to the numerous rape allegations against him due to his wealth and power. It is also very clear that Democrats are enthusiastic about anyone on “their side” going down if guilty, including Bill Clinton. Ironic too that Trump’s appeal to his supporter base taps into this same anger against the powerful elite.

“These decrees of yours are no different from spiders' webs. They'll restrain anyone weak and insignificant who gets caught in them, but they'll be torn to shreds by people with power and wealth.” - Anacharsis, 6th Century BC.

 

[smartcooky]

Trump has been teflon to the numerous rape allegations against him due to his wealth and power. It is also very clear that Democrats are enthusiastic about anyone on “their side” going down if guilty, including Bill Clinton.

This.

Numerous historical rape allegations brought down Bill Cosby and Rolf Harris. Over 25 women have accused Trump of rape or sexual assault, that is more accusers than Cosby or Harris. How is it that Trump has managed to avoid the same axe?

This isn't about politics, its about justice for the victims. I wouldn't care if Trump was left, right or centre. If he really did these things, he should go down for it. If Bill Clinton was involved, he should be in for the chop too!

 

[rdwight]

People are fed up with wealthy white males getting away with everything - for many people this is a whole category of “political foe” they want to see brought down and receive justice.[SNIP]..

Trump has been teflon to the numerous rape allegations against him due to his wealth and power. It is also very clear that Democrats are enthusiastic about anyone on “their side” going down if guilty, including Bill Clinton. Ironic too that Trump’s appeal to his supporter base taps into this same anger against the powerful elite.

And 'people' really includes everyone, especially when it involved underage victims. But if this thread is any indication, that is secondary to how it will impact political opponents. Look at how many comments involve Trump and Clinton.

Is there any indication from anything public about this case that they were at all involved? No. Just wishful speculation. I am just glad that those affected will hopefully get the justice they've been denied for so long. If others get swept in for their crimes in regards to this, even better. But I won't refocus this case in the way others here are, and I won't conflate other cases into this and lessen the impact of this one.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Looks like Barr has un-recused himself and is now inserting himself into Epstein's case. I'm sure Trump told Barr to do what it takes to protect Epstein, in order to protect Trump as well.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

And 'people' really includes everyone, especially when it involved underage victims. But if this thread is any indication, that is secondary to how it will impact political opponents. Look at how many comments involve Trump and Clinton.

Is there any indication from anything public about this case that they were at all involved? ...

Well there is the fact that the AG who let him off a decade ago is now in Trump's inner circle, and, Trump is defending him. Then there's this:

Looks like Barr has un-recused himself and is now inserting himself into Epstein's case. I'm sure Trump told Barr to do what it takes to protect Epstein, in order to protect Trump as well.

And there is the fact Trump bought the Miss Teen Universe and it isn't clear if he walked into their dressing room(s) though we know he walked into the Miss Universe dressing rooms.

So I'm not sure I be so quick to dismiss Trump's involvement. Not saying the smoking gun is there. But no way is Trump in the clear.

 

[I Am The Scum]

Well there is the fact that the AG who let him off a decade ago is now in Trump's inner circle, and, Trump is defending him.

This. As much as I'd like to set politics aside and let justice run its course, I can't ignore the fact that one of the men in Trump's inner circle played an instrumental role in allowing a serial child rapist to walk. Of his own volition, Donald Trump has involved himself in this case. If he wanted to stay out of it, he made the wrong decisions. Criticism is warranted.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Looks like Barr has un-recused himself and is now inserting himself into Epstein's case. I'm sure Trump told Barr to do what it takes to protect Epstein, in order to protect Trump as well.

The swamp of wealthy elites has never been so overtly swampy. The disrespect for checks and balances or the people of America is overwhelming. Trump and his enablers are the worst of the self interested elites many of his supporters despised and sought a disempowerment of. All accountability is gone. The Dem leadership is simply banking on the next election result.