Merged Jeff Farrer Reshashes Jones's nonsense

[beachnut]

Now we are back to well we have sulfur and other BS.

http://world911truth.org/interview-with-jeff-farrer-nanothermite-paper-scientist/

How do people fall for lies as dumb as Jones thermite delusion? How stupid do you have to be and how gullible are these clowns?

 

[leftysergeant]

Gee. Now why didn't FEMA think of that?

Maybe because what Dr. Barnett, and Dr. Farrer observed in the steel was in no way the result of exposure to sulphuric acid?

Limited experience with acid etching of metal?

I only recognized it because of the vermicular markings on some of the corroded steel.

 

[leftysergeant]

How did he look for it? If he used the same incompetent methods as he did on the red layers, then he won't know if he was looking at S or SO2, or any other compound containing sulfur.

Like pyrite or copper sulphate?

 

[Miragememories]

"Gee. Now why didn't FEMA think of that?

Maybe because what Dr. Barnett, and Dr. Farrer observed in the steel was in no way the result of exposure to sulphuric acid?"

"Limited experience with acid etching of metal?

I only recognized it because of the vermicular markings on some of the corroded steel."

You overrule scientists based on your limited observation of a few web quality images?

Amazing arrogance.

MM

 

[Oystein]

You overrule scientists based on your limited observation of a few web quality images?

Amazing arrogance.

MM

Scientists who make vague statements about things they have not published.
I sort of expected you to pass by my most recent post, which contained a question for you. A question which you can't answer. You merely believe one scientists, on faith and faith alone, because you like his results.

 

[Edx]

You overrule scientists based on your limited observation of a few web quality images?

Amazing arrogance.

MM

You overrule scientists based on your limited observation of a few youtube videos?

Nevermind I forget, you think your little group isnt the fringe bunch of nobodys that it is.

 

[Miragememories]

You overrule scientists based on your limited observation of a few youtube videos?

Nevermind I forget, you think your little group isnt the fringe bunch of nobodys that it is.

Funny, I do not see you dismissing the NIST when they make a public statement appearing on YouTube.

Or any of the OCT video authors either.

YouTube is just a media vehicle.

It carries the good, the bad and the ugly.

You can't legitimately claim the content I link to is bad just because you
don't like the vehicle it arrived in.

MM

 

[triforcharity]

Funny, I do not see you dismissing the NIST when they make a public statement appearing on YouTube.

Or any of the OCT video authors either.

YouTube is just a media vehicle.

It carries the good, the bad and the ugly.

You can't legitimately claim the content I link to is bad just because you
don't like the vehicle it arrived in.

MM

No, the problem is that most of the truther **** is ONLY on YouTube. Nowhere else.

THAT is just one problem. Content is a whole nother ball of ****.

 

[leftysergeant]

You overrule scientists based on your limited observation of a few youtube videos?

On the video, the NIST report and real-life experience acid-etching metals to create objets de'art, plus experience in constructing and demonstrating the use of thermite charges for arson, sabotage and burglery, a bit of high school-level chemistry and more reading than most twoofers have had tme for.

Nevermind I forget, you think your little group isnt the fringe bunch of nobodys that it is.

Excuse me, the head space case on your side is a superstitious twit who thinks he has archaeological and folkloric evidence that the "other sheep that are not of this fold" whom Jesus intended to visit were a bunch of white people on the Yucatan Penniinsula.

I mean come ON. Old chucklenuts doesn't even know how far off Medieval European iconography was, and he tries to use his defective base of "knowledge"

Sorry, had to let it out

to interpret Mayan iconography to support his lame ass theory that Itzamna was actually Jesus.

Freakin' dimbulb.

 

[twinstead]

You overrule scientists based on your limited observation of a few web quality images?

Amazing arrogance.

Are you kidding me? You've just explained the entire truth movement in a nutshell. Or nutjob. Or whatever.

 

[BadBoy]

I was wondering how much thermite, statistically speaking, there would had to have been in order for its evidence to be so pervaisive and present in any part of the WTC dust, not to mention how much requiredto create all the fires in the heap after it had done its job melting fown the building.

 

[Oystein]

I was wondering how much thermite, statistically speaking, there would had to have been in order for its evidence to be so pervaisive and present in any part of the WTC dust

Unfortunately, another shortcoming of the Harrit e.al. paper is its failure to give an estimate of how pervasive the red-grey chips were in their samples, measured in ppm, for example.

To start answering your question: That would depend on several factors:
- Location; as both the ingredients and products of thermite are denser than many other fractions of the dust, they would tend to settle closer to GZ
- Method used
- Competence of the lab

, not to mention how much requiredto create all the fires in the heap after it had done its job melting fown the building.

This is a pretty non-sensical question. As has been pointed out many many times, thermite burns with very high temperature, but it burns off quickly and releases surprisingly little energy per mass. Much less so than paper, plastics, and other materials found abundandly in offices - less energy indeed than average human tissue, even though human tissue consists to 60% or so of inert water! Since all 3 collapsing buildings already contained large fires, and huge amounts of combustibles, it is a totally silly idea that the presence of thermite would make any difference at all to the trash heap fires.There is absolutely no doubt about the reason for the trash heap fires.

 

[Miragememories]

On the video, the NIST report and real-life experience acid-etching metals to create objets de'art, plus experience in constructing and demonstrating the use of thermite charges for arson, sabotage and burglery, a bit of high school-level chemistry and more reading than most twoofers have had tme for.



Excuse me, the head space case on your side is a superstitious twit who thinks he has archaeological and folkloric evidence that the "other sheep that are not of this fold" whom Jesus intended to visit were a bunch of white people on the Yucatan Penniinsula.

I mean come ON. Old chucklenuts doesn't even know how far off Medieval European iconography was, and he tries to use his defective base of "knowledge"

Sorry, had to let it out

to interpret Mayan iconography to support his lame ass theory that Itzamna was actually Jesus.

Freakin' dimbulb.

Good luck with your juvenile attitude towards people who hold religious beliefs.

I am not religious but I've certainly seen a lot of amazing achievements by those who are.

To start discrediting people because they have religious beliefs is pretty trashy in my opinion.

MM

 

[grandmastershek]

Good luck with your juvenile attitude towards people who hold religious beliefs.

I am not religious but I've certainly seen a lot of amazing achievements by those who are.

To start discrediting people because they have religious beliefs is pretty trashy in my opinion.

MM

Nice strawman MM. At what point did he mention people with religious beliefs in general or say anything you claim he did? Oh right he didn't. You're just butt hurt because your top scientist tried to scientifically prove Jesus beat out Lindbergh by over a millennium; what he was actually talking about. The fact that Jones believes in magic underpants is the least of his problems.

 

[leftysergeant]

Good luck with your juvenile attitude towards people who hold religious beliefs.

I am a rather deeply religious person myself. It is superstitious twits who let their religious prejudices over-ride their native intelligence that I attack.

Superstition is a religious belief that conflicts with natural law.

There is, for example, no evidence that there was ever a Semitic culture on the Yucatan Penninsula, or that any of the indigienous peoples were of Semitic descent.

Idiot boy Jones saw an icon of Itzamna with what appeared, to the ignorant, to be stigmata in the palms of his hands.

Old doofus assumed that this was how Jesus was crufied, and assumed that there was no other likely explanation for why a god of healing would be so portrayed. He totally ignored the fact tyhat Mayan religion was to some extent shamanistic, and that laying-on of hands is central to most shaministic healing rituals. DERRRR!

He also over-looks the fact that in crucifiction, the nails are not placed through the hands. The wounded palms are a far later European convention.

So stone-age people thousands of miles away would come to the same conclusion as a bunch of European monks as to how to crucify people. Wierd.

Jones also over-looks the fact that the only similarity between Jesus and Itzamna is death and resurrection.

DUH! That was a feature of the cult of Damuzi, and you know what the Bible has to say about the cult of Damuzi, right?

If you don't, you are going to make yourself look very foolish when defending a moron in a debate about religious beliefs versus mindless superstition.

What makesd the Itzamna theory most important here, in assessing Jones' abilities as a scientist is that it proves that he has, on at least one egregious occassion, allowed his superstition to lead him to a conclusion not based on reality because he WANTED to show that his religious mythology was true.

 

[Oystein]

...
Superstition is a religious belief that conflicts with natural law.
...

Which begs the question: Is there any religious belief that does not conflict with natural law? Methinks any religion entirely within the laws of nature would cease to be one...

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Which begs the question: Is there any religious belief that does not conflict with natural law?

Yes.

Examples of religious beliefs that are not known to conflict with any natural law:

An invisible and undetectable Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe.

Friday is a holy day.

We are all born with Original Slack.

Methinks any religion entirely within the laws of nature would cease to be one...

That's another example of a religious belief that doesn't conflict with natural law.

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with this thread, which was about religious beliefs that do conflict with natural laws.

 

[Oystein]

Yes.

Examples of religious beliefs that are not known to conflict with any natural law:


That's another example of a religious belief that doesn't conflict with natural law.

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with this thread, which was about religious beliefs that do conflict with natural laws.

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