Jason Bermas Back-Pedelling.

[Lyte Trip]

Anything else you wish to add?

That the plane flew on the north side of the citgo.

Explain how you can reconcile that with the official story or else you better start asking the USG all those other questions.

 

[Gravy]

Note also that Bermas has not changed his mind about the firemen supposedly having evidence that would prove the CT, just about why they are keeping quiet:



So it's threats, not payoffs? I suppose that's a little better.

Remember the video of the fireman speaking on the steps of St. Mark's Church, who said there was no gag order? Guess who filmed that? Jason Bermas. He really needs to start watching his own stuff.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

This is a good idea. Posting little synopses of the threads, that is. Not Lyte pulling it. No. Never. BAD visual.

Now I gotta go wash my brain out with soap.

I just wanted to help some other potential victim avoid making the same mistake I did.

I actually read the whole thing.

 

[JFM]

That the plane flew on the north side of the citgo.

Explain how you can reconcile that with the official story or else you better start asking the USG all those other questions.

Wrong. You have to reconcile this imaginary evidence of yours, with everything that points to a 757 knocking down posts and impacting the Pentagon from the south.

Sheesh do you have a brain?

 

[Gravy]

I can't speak for other people in the movement but here is what I believe.

None of the firefighters were in on it and Silverstein did not "order" the demolition but he did know about it.

High level federal operatives told the fire deptartment that their specialists had determined the building would collapse and to get their people out of the way.

Silverstein knew that it was an obvious demolition and made his famous quote to cover his butt so if it came back he could say....."they told me they were going to pull it.......I just said go ahead and do it".

If your version is true, then the firefighters are lying and are indeed "in on it." Please justify your "belief" by backing it with evidence, or retract your statement.

 

[LashL]

Hey folks, just a quick question: why on earth are you/we letting Lyte Trip derail this thread about Bermas and his non-apology into yet another boring thread about LyteTrip's non-existent "evidence" about the planes at the Pentagon? It is obvious that LT has issues about not getting enough attention, but hey, that's his problem. He's been promising his earth shattering evidence since August and it's now December, and he hasn't provided any evidence whatsoever. This isn't the thread for his attention whoring in any event. It would be useful if we could confine his puffery to the thread specifically about his non-evidence rather than let it invade other threads.

Now, about Bermas and the subject matter of this thread. That wasn't an "apology" - that was a "damn, now that I know I'm going to get called on this in the debate I've agreed to, I had better work on damage control because I know I'm going to get my ass handed to me, so let's see how I can spin this - um, Do Over, help me!"

Bermas' behaviour would be comical if the subject matter weren't so damned serious. As it is, he's simply trying to find himself an "out" ahead of time because he knows that not only his words, but his grotesquely disrespectful demeanor, have been preserved on video, and he knows how obvious it is to any observer that he accused FDNY firefighters of being in on the "inside job".

 

[Lyte Trip]

If your version were true, then the firefighters are lying and are indeed "in on it." Please justify your "belief" by backing it with evidence, or retract your statement.

What part of my post don't you get?

Nothing I said requires the fire department to be in on it.

I will not retract my "belief" because of your transparant attempt at using bullying rhetoric.

We see right through your verbal manipulations.

 

[jamrat]

Hey folks, just a quick question: why on earth are you/we letting Lyte Trip derail this thread about Bermas and his non-apology into yet another boring thread about LyteTrip's non-existent "evidence"? Looks like LT has issues about not getting enough attention but hey, that's his problem. He's been promising his earth shattering evidence since August and it's now December, and this isn't the thread for it in any event. It would be useful if we could confine his puffery to the thread specifically about his non-evidence rather than let it invade other threads.

Now, about Bermas and the subject matter of this thread. That wasn't an "apology" - that was a "damn, now that I know I'm going to get called on this in the debate I've agreed to, I had better work on damage control because I know I'm going to get my ass handed to me, so let's see how I can spin this - Do Over, HELP!"

Bermas' behaviour would be comical if the subject matter weren't so damned serious. As it is, he's simply trying to find himself an "out" ahead of time because he knows that not only his words, but his grotesquely disrespectful demeanor, have been preserved on video, and he knows how obvious it is to any observer that he accused FDNY firefighters of being in on the "inside job".

I agree, Lyte's got nothing and trashing that dimwit Bermas is much more fun!

 

[Arus808]

That the a plane flew on the north side of the citgo.

Corrected that for you. You have no evidence that it was Flight 77 that flew in from the North. All you have is the questionable testimony of an unamed witness, who probably didn't even know what was North from South that day. And you discount the testimony that there was indeed a second plane flying around that day...the one that was sent to investigate what happened to Flight 77.

 

[Lyte Trip]

He's been promising his earth shattering evidence since August and it's now December...

Incorrect.

My follow up trip to Arlington when I obtained the earth shattering evidence was in November.

It has been just under 3 weeks.

It will be presented this month.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Corrected that for you. You have no evidence that it was Flight 77 that flew in from the North. All you have is the questionable testimony of an unamed witness, who probably didn't even know what was North from South that day. And you discount the testimony that there was indeed a second plane flying around that day...the one that was sent to investigate what happened to Flight 77.

Oh I agree.

I certainly don't believe it was flight 77.

However I do not discount testimony of a second plane.

I simply discount the claim that it was "shadowing" what was believed to be flight 77 within a few seconds.

But I can promise you that the witnesses we talked to are talking about the plane that everyone believes hit the Pentagon.

This will be demonstrated to EVERYONE'S 100% satisfaction.

 

[stateofgrace]

I agree, Lyte's got nothing and trashing that dimwit Bermas is much more fun!

I agree also. Tripper clear off to your own thread and leave everybody in peace to bash Bermas.

 

[Gravy]

Wrong.

I said we would "address" the light poles and we will.

That means we will present a hypothesis as to how they were staged.

Keep in mind that your "hypothesis" must, at minimum, match the evidence that the poles were struck by flight 77. You interviewed people who were there when that happened, and now you call them liars. Sorry, that won't do. I'm very interested to see what evidence you have that will prove the people wrong who saw it happen. We've been reminding you of this since you started posting, but you still don't get it.

Lyte Trip: What? I have to match or exceed the existing evidence? That's not fair!

Gravy: Check your chemtrail filter. It may need changing.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Keep in mind that your "hypothesis" must, at minimum, match the evidence that the poles were struck by flight 77. You interviewed people who were there when that happened, and now you call them liars. Sorry, that won't do. I'm very interested to see what evidence you have that will prove the people wrong who saw it happen. We've been reminding you of this since you started posting, but you still don't get it.

You so aren't getting this yet!

 

[Lyte Trip]

Keep in mind that your "hypothesis" must, at minimum, match the evidence that the poles were struck by flight 77. You interviewed people who were there when that happened, and now you call them liars. Sorry, that won't do. I'm very interested to see what evidence you have that will prove the people wrong who saw it happen.

Wrong again.

You so aren't getting this yet!

There will be nothing for you to debunk in what we present.

 

[rwguinn]

Hey folks, just a quick question: why on earth are you/we letting Lyte Trip derail this thread about Bermas and his non-apology into yet another boring thread about LyteTrip's non-existent "evidence" about the planes at the Pentagon? It is obvious that LT has issues about not getting enough attention, but hey, that's his problem. He's been promising his earth shattering evidence since August and it's now December, and he hasn't provided any evidence whatsoever. This isn't the thread for his attention whoring in any event. It would be useful if we could confine his puffery to the thread specifically about his non-evidence rather than let it invade other threads.

Um.. Because CT'er don't have a monopoly on the 'ol "one-trick pony" syndrome?

Now, about Bermas and the subject matter of this thread. That wasn't an "apology" - that was a "damn, now that I know I'm going to get called on this in the debate I've agreed to, I had better work on damage control because I know I'm going to get my ass handed to me, so let's see how I can spin this - um, Do Over, help me!"

Bermas' behaviour would be comical if the subject matter weren't so damned serious. As it is, he's simply trying to find himself an "out" ahead of time because he knows that not only his words, but his grotesquely disrespectful demeanor, have been preserved on video, and he knows how obvious it is to any observer that he accused FDNY firefighters of being in on the "inside job".

To me, this like debating "Air-Is it necessary?" or
"for what values is 2+2=4"

 

[Gravy]

Do you have proof that many people were involved?

Did all of these people actually collect the DNA from the pentagon themselves?

Were ANY of them at the pentagon at all?

Where is your evidence for any of this?

The fireball occurred when the jetliner's full fuel tank exploded on impact and roared down corridors so fast that "90% didn't know what happened to them," he said.

Many were sitting at their desks or behind partitions. One woman was found frozen in a sitting position, her arms posed as if reading a document.

Several bodies were found huddled in groups near televisions. Pentagon workers were apparently watching the carnage taking place at the World Trade Center when the hellish scene on TV became reality for them, too.

When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

"It was the worst thing you can imagine," said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. "I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside." http://tinyurl.com/kth3m

An important and relevant message to “Pentagon no-planers” from JREF member Hal Bidlack, who was at the Pentagon when flight 77 hit. I hope Lyte Trip will take it to heart:

Killtown,

I am certainly aware of people like yourself who believe that those of us who suffered on 9/11 must be part of some giant plot, either as dupes or plotters. I was in the Pentagon when the plane hit, I held parts of that aircraft in my hands, covered with fuel and oil, and I helped with the triage area. I helped a guy with a headwound, aided ambulances coming in, and suffer to this day with ongoing nightmares on a very regular basis. When one has seen what I saw, and had to do what I had to do, the images, the smells, the sounds, resonate in your mind forever.

I do not object to your desire to dispute the facts of that day. While I feel you are hopelessly naive and silly, that is your right. But please know that your page on the Pentagon crash is deeply offensive to the survivors such as myself. Again, it's not that you argue. But your tone is one of mocking, of making light of the greatest suffering I ever saw in my 25 years of military service. Your fake "quotes," your quips, all mock the pain of those of us that were there, and served that day. I am very likely one of the people in some of your photographs, and I assure you our thoughts were not about the grass (a silly claim you make, by the way), but were deeply, intensely worried about the people hurt, the people left inside. I will never forget that day, and while I can forgive your foolishness in not understanding the facts, the science, the reality of that day, I find it much harder to forgive your willingness to laugh at those who were so terribly hurt that day. Such an attitude shows you to be a cruel and heartless person, in addition to silly one.

LT Col Hal Bidlack
USAF Retired

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61874

Lyte Trip, what's it like to live in a world where everyone is lying but you?

 

[Gravy]

Wrong again.

You so aren't getting this yet!

There will be nothing for you to debunk in what we present.

Wrong? You posit that the witnesses you interviewed may be secret government agents or under the influence of a "mind control" or "hypnosis" program. Show me where I'm wrong about that.

How are those chemtrails coming along, Lyte?

 

[Gravy]

What part of my post don't you get?

Nothing I said requires the fire department to be in on it.

I will not retract my "belief" because of your transparant attempt at using bullying rhetoric.

We see right through your verbal manipulations.

Your version says that the story told by all the firefighters, including all the chiefs, is false.

It's time to justify your version with evidence or retract it. Be a man and do it, Lyte. Don't be a whining child.

 

[LashL]

Um.. Because CT'er don't have a monopoly on the 'ol "one-trick pony" syndrome?

That's probably accurate, yes. We all have our moments, and that's understandable. But "we", collectively, have better debating skills, better critical thinking skills and better analytical thinking skills than CTers and we are usually pretty good at cutting this kind of deliberate derailing crap off at the knees rather than letting CT morons continue to derail a perfectly good thread when there is a perfectly good parallel thread on the other topic right.. over.. there ----->

To me, this like debating "Air-Is it necessary?" or
"for what values is 2+2=4"

I could not agree more