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...to save us from ourselves!"
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"I've come from the future...
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King of the Americas said:
I sincerely do not get it.
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I've come to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.
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King of the Americas said:
How could he be from the future if we didn't save ourselves the first time around?
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Whenever I see a thread started by KOA, I view it immediately because of the near certainty of finding laughably outrageous comments and witty replies. This one is a tremendous disappointment. Try a little harder, King, or we may have to revoke your troll card.
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HYPOTHETICALLY...
...speaking, if you WERE by some freak circumstance, given the opportunity to glance over your future, as an opportunity to save you from your present course of events, how would you prove it?
Sure you'd say, by just telling people what is going to happen, and why, but isn't there an old Greek or Roman myth about a woman who comes from the future, but she is cursed to have no one believe her?
I heard this quote from a coming TV movie/series. A guy get the opportunity to travel back to high school, and do all the things he missed out on, and he decided to run for class office and be Mr. Cool. His opening line is, "I've come from the future to save us from ourselves!" And of course, the young idealist high school crowd errupts into applause.
Too bad, adults too often lose this idealist outlook, and more often choose the security of absolute skepticism. Even, when scientists provide real testable data that confirms that our future holds a Global Warming reality caused by OUR actions, and that IF we continue along this course BAD thigns will happen. Still, the adult skeptic in us demands more proof.
You say you have information about the future, and that I have to CHANGE my present course of actions to PREVENT certain danger...?
"Sorry, this window is closed, please pull forward and place your order at the next window, we're all grown up here."
And I think that is sad. Prophesy is not always an uncertain science. The most basic scientific concept is just this a 'theory'- that which explains a set of events or occurances, an then makes predictions as to future similar events.
Given that history tends to repeat itself...maybe someone with a vast knowledge of world history, could be trained in a manner that would allow them to easily predict the outcome of almost any event...?
...speaking, if you WERE by some freak circumstance, given the opportunity to glance over your future, as an opportunity to save you from your present course of events, how would you prove it?
Sure you'd say, by just telling people what is going to happen, and why, but isn't there an old Greek or Roman myth about a woman who comes from the future, but she is cursed to have no one believe her?
I heard this quote from a coming TV movie/series. A guy get the opportunity to travel back to high school, and do all the things he missed out on, and he decided to run for class office and be Mr. Cool. His opening line is, "I've come from the future to save us from ourselves!" And of course, the young idealist high school crowd errupts into applause.
Too bad, adults too often lose this idealist outlook, and more often choose the security of absolute skepticism. Even, when scientists provide real testable data that confirms that our future holds a Global Warming reality caused by OUR actions, and that IF we continue along this course BAD thigns will happen. Still, the adult skeptic in us demands more proof.
You say you have information about the future, and that I have to CHANGE my present course of actions to PREVENT certain danger...?
"Sorry, this window is closed, please pull forward and place your order at the next window, we're all grown up here."
And I think that is sad. Prophesy is not always an uncertain science. The most basic scientific concept is just this a 'theory'- that which explains a set of events or occurances, an then makes predictions as to future similar events.
Given that history tends to repeat itself...maybe someone with a vast knowledge of world history, could be trained in a manner that would allow them to easily predict the outcome of almost any event...?
Re: HYPOTHETICALLY...
By making testable predictions that require knowledge of the future, and cannot be made as educated guesses based on today's data.
Irrelevant. You can start complaining about this when you actually can make verifiable predictions.
I think you're overestimating most adults.
If the science is there, the science is there. Bring it forth- do you think that genuine science needs the prophecies of Albert James Knabe to lend it credibility?
Not when it's based on sound science or commonplace observation, no. Of course, when someone sees a plane flying low towards a known airport with gear down and says "they're going to land soon", it's not called 'prophecy'.
This is not sad, this is necessary. If you don't believe me, take a tour of major cities in the U.S. and find out what the street crazies have to say about the future.
So what's your theory? Can you, in fact, predict anything?
Just curious, have you ever read Asimov's Foundation series?
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By making testable predictions that require knowledge of the future, and cannot be made as educated guesses based on today's data.
Irrelevant. You can start complaining about this when you actually can make verifiable predictions.
I think you're overestimating most adults.
If the science is there, the science is there. Bring it forth- do you think that genuine science needs the prophecies of Albert James Knabe to lend it credibility?
Not when it's based on sound science or commonplace observation, no. Of course, when someone sees a plane flying low towards a known airport with gear down and says "they're going to land soon", it's not called 'prophecy'.
This is not sad, this is necessary. If you don't believe me, take a tour of major cities in the U.S. and find out what the street crazies have to say about the future.
So what's your theory? Can you, in fact, predict anything?
Given that history tends to repeat itself...maybe someone with a vast knowledge of world history, could be trained in a manner that would allow them to easily predict the outcome of almost any event...?
Just curious, have you ever read Asimov's Foundation series?
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Indeed...
... "Soubrette ", that WAS the woman I was thinking of, and moreover, shw WAS cursed and didn't come from the future persay, but her knowledge did.
"Flatworm", first and foremost, I would like to take the opportunity to offer you an ernest "Thank You" for your time, consideration, and rational responses to my work. Your responses are almost never personal attacks, and have been among the most challenging to answer. Given THAT, you are going to have to qualify a term for me, because I am not sure we agree on something. Exactly, what does this mean "making testable predictions that require knowledge of the future, and cannot be made as educated guesses based on today's data"...?
But, isn't one exactly the same as the other? I mean, I see and event, I note the outcome. Then I see a similar event, and I summize that IF process-A continues as it did before, then it will RESULT as it did before. I thought 'Prophesy' was foretelling the future by using one's collected knowledge and ability...?
Science's Failure is man's unwillingness to accept each other's findings in lou of their own. Science Succeeds when MEN work together to accurately predict and ACT upon their findings to move toward a more positive outcome.
*("Then again, how can ANY man truly know the weight of his own actions?")
You also use the term, "when you actually can make verifiable predictions".
Well, I say THAT is easy. Test me in any way you see fit.
You also offer up an absolute falacy when you gave the plane landing scenerio. Theorizing the plane would land, based upon your previous knowledge and experience, you summize that the plane SHOULD be landing. Now, if it were ME, I would take into account many more variables to include: whether or not i kNEW there was an airport nereby, if I had ever witnessed a similar landing from this angle, at this time, and if indeed the same kind of plane was landing.
I'd say that your scenerio was far too general to even be relivent in this discussion.
I haven't read Asmv., but I'll look for it on my next trip to the library. Can you give me any insight before-hand?
... "Soubrette ", that WAS the woman I was thinking of, and moreover, shw WAS cursed and didn't come from the future persay, but her knowledge did.
"Flatworm", first and foremost, I would like to take the opportunity to offer you an ernest "Thank You" for your time, consideration, and rational responses to my work. Your responses are almost never personal attacks, and have been among the most challenging to answer. Given THAT, you are going to have to qualify a term for me, because I am not sure we agree on something. Exactly, what does this mean "making testable predictions that require knowledge of the future, and cannot be made as educated guesses based on today's data"...?
But, isn't one exactly the same as the other? I mean, I see and event, I note the outcome. Then I see a similar event, and I summize that IF process-A continues as it did before, then it will RESULT as it did before. I thought 'Prophesy' was foretelling the future by using one's collected knowledge and ability...?
Science's Failure is man's unwillingness to accept each other's findings in lou of their own. Science Succeeds when MEN work together to accurately predict and ACT upon their findings to move toward a more positive outcome.
*("Then again, how can ANY man truly know the weight of his own actions?")
You also use the term, "when you actually can make verifiable predictions".
Well, I say THAT is easy. Test me in any way you see fit.
You also offer up an absolute falacy when you gave the plane landing scenerio. Theorizing the plane would land, based upon your previous knowledge and experience, you summize that the plane SHOULD be landing. Now, if it were ME, I would take into account many more variables to include: whether or not i kNEW there was an airport nereby, if I had ever witnessed a similar landing from this angle, at this time, and if indeed the same kind of plane was landing.
I'd say that your scenerio was far too general to even be relivent in this discussion.
I haven't read Asmv., but I'll look for it on my next trip to the library. Can you give me any insight before-hand?
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For his foundation trilogy, Asimov invented 'Psycho-history', a means whereby the empire's future course could be calculated by observing current and past trends.
It only worked for huge masses of people and it was, of course, Fiction.
The difference between 'prophesy' and "foretelling the future by using one's collected knowledge and ability" is simple if you consider the Lottery.
The Lottery numbers are decided by a random number generation device.
If you can give me next Saturday's winning lottery numbers (UK) I would consider this a result of Prophesy (I don't consider that you have the wit or guile to 'rig' them). This would be considered 'paranormal'
To postulate an outcome based on past observations may be clever, but it is not paranormal and (semantically speaking) may not even be considered 'foretelling the future'.
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It only worked for huge masses of people and it was, of course, Fiction.
The difference between 'prophesy' and "foretelling the future by using one's collected knowledge and ability" is simple if you consider the Lottery.
The Lottery numbers are decided by a random number generation device.
If you can give me next Saturday's winning lottery numbers (UK) I would consider this a result of Prophesy (I don't consider that you have the wit or guile to 'rig' them). This would be considered 'paranormal'
To postulate an outcome based on past observations may be clever, but it is not paranormal and (semantically speaking) may not even be considered 'foretelling the future'.
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Upon the Lottery:
I am sorry, but you are wrong about the Lottery. It is NOT a 'random event', at all. And I know what you are thinking,...I am not going to suggest it is a conspiracy, wherein 'they' know whatich numbers are going to come up, and deliver the winning ticket to a pre-sellected winner.
However, what I WILL contend is that all of those balls are NOT equal in weight and form. In fact, I contend that given the more times you run any lottery with the same balls, the more accurate my 'predictions' will become.
Everything repeats itself, given enough time.
'Beating the Odds' quite badly would be easy, given enough resources.
I am sorry, but you are wrong about the Lottery. It is NOT a 'random event', at all. And I know what you are thinking,...I am not going to suggest it is a conspiracy, wherein 'they' know whatich numbers are going to come up, and deliver the winning ticket to a pre-sellected winner.
However, what I WILL contend is that all of those balls are NOT equal in weight and form. In fact, I contend that given the more times you run any lottery with the same balls, the more accurate my 'predictions' will become.
Everything repeats itself, given enough time.
'Beating the Odds' quite badly would be easy, given enough resources.