Israeli Army has Doubts

[a_unique_person]

What does RTFL mean?



One might expect a temporary increase in terrorism, but for three years? And that the increase is in relation to an intifada...!

And your argument misses the point: The Palestinian Authority was supposed to arrest the terrorists and charge them with their crimes. No, you don't expect thirty years worth of animosity to go away overnight, but you do expect them to live up to their agreement. They didn't.

Your comment about the civil war is ignorant beyond belief. Even by your standards, it’s astonishing.

Can you understand this

Three per month under the Oslo accords. Twenty-five per month under the Sharon plan. Those are the numbers.

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
Can you understand this

May I take this change in topic to mean that you're conceding the point that the Palestinian Authority did nothing to live up to their obligations under the Oslo plan, that violence did indeed more than double for three years due to this fact, and that once action was taken, it was just a show for the internationals that was undone later?

 

[Troll]

You haven't seen the Confederate flags flying around the South? The war is over, but many in the South still resent what happened, and as our friend Hammegk shows, many still think the blacks were better off as slaves.

Norther Ireland is still inching forward, in a process that is going to take a long time, just as Israel and Palestine still have to. Even if a cast iron agreement is signed by all, there will still be killing and bitterness for hundreds of years to come.

Yes I have, it's part of their history. I've seen some other pre-modern day flags as well, doesn't mean we're still fighting the Revolutionary war. You claimed we're still fighting the civil war. Those were your words. Perhaps you should choose them better in the future.

 

[Mike B.]

The US is still fighting the civil war in many areas.

Yes, indeed.

I hear there is a battle going on in my own state as we speak in a little town called Gettysburg.

 

[a_unique_person]

Yes, indeed.

I hear there is a battle going on in my own state as we speak in a little town called Gettysburg.

Not a literal war, but you know what I am talking about. You can't go wrong if you are a politician bashing the North if you are from the South.

 

[a_unique_person]

May I take this change in topic to mean that you're conceding the point that the Palestinian Authority did nothing to live up to their obligations under the Oslo plan, that violence did indeed more than double for three years due to this fact, and that once action was taken, it was just a show for the internationals that was undone later?

The violence was not reduced after three years. It was reduced after five months. The IRA had a similar problem, how to discipline it's internal factions without appearing to be disloyal to it's own people over the interests of the 'enemy'.

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
The violence was not reduced after three years. It was reduced after five months. The IRA had a similar problem, how to discipline it's internal factions without appearing to be disloyal to it's own people over the interests of the 'enemy'.

From your own source:

But that in itself is slightly misleading. During the accords' first three years, from 1993 to 1996, terrorism deaths rose to 5.8 per month. In late 1996, following a series of horrific bus bombings and a pitched gun battle between Israeli and Palestinian troops, heavy American pressure was brought on the Palestinians to begin honoring their agreements, and for the next three years deaths dropped to just over 1 per month.

Your five month figure comes from this:

But that, too, is only part of the truth. Some 60 Israelis were killed during the first five months of the intifada, or 12 per month, while Ehud Barak was Israel's prime minister.

The intifada in reference being the second intifada, a completely different time period.

And just for the sake of irony, also quoted from your source:

Numbers are funny things, though. Once you publish them, they have a way of telling their own story, however hard you try to turn them around.

Yes indeed they do.

 

[Mycroft]

May I take your non-response to mean that you're conceding the point that the Palestinian Authority did nothing to live up to their obligations under the Oslo plan, that violence did indeed more than double for three years due to this fact, and that once action was taken, it was just a show for the internationals that was undone later?

 

[Mycroft]

AUP?

 

[a_unique_person]

I have a life to live,and a family who needs me. I will do some more research on Oslo when I have the time and reply. Eg, my son is calling me this instant to drive him to his friends house.

 

[Mycroft]

I have a life to live,and a family who needs me. I will do some more research on Oslo when I have the time and reply. Eg, my son is calling me this instant to drive him to his friends house.

So now you're doubting your own source?