Islam and Homosexuality

[wittgenst3in]

To clear things up, can you please say what you meant by this comment:

Homosexuality is an aberration from the norm. Of course a lot of it can come about strictly by trying to maintain certain stereotypes

Radrook: Touche. Did you see the french spelling I corrected of yours?

 

[Radrook]

To clear things up, can you please say what you meant by this comment:





Radrook: Touche. Did you see the french spelling I corrected of yours?

French spellings?
I usually run my posts through a spell checker.
Lately I have been negligent. So I am sure you can find dozens of misspelled words caused by writing in haste from which to pick.


Which one are you referring to?

BTW
It is not "french" it is "French."
All proper nouns get a capital first letter.

 

[Benguin]

Ummmm, I was just repeating the confusion that everyone else here says they feel when any religious book talks about homosexuality--that they can't tell if it is talking about rape or homosexual sex. Why yoy calling me a bigot for saying what they say?

Because you clearly weren't doing that, you were exressing you're own inability to distinguish between male rape and homosexuality.

It's really hard to tell the difference isn't it?
They are so similar as to almost be identical

No, there's all sorts of differences.

I'm not homosexual, so I don't feel well placed to advise you. but even I know you are expressing nonsensical bigotry.

 

[Gulliamo]

They were probably making it all up as they went along.
Like, you know--evolution.

Does anyone have an intelligent, non facetious answer for the open minded people who are here to actually learn something? Rather than simply attempting incitement and resorting to spelling corrections whenever tough questions are asked why can’t I get an honest answer?

 

[Radrook]

Because you clearly weren't doing that, you were exressing you're own inability to distinguish between male rape and homosexuality.



No, there's all sorts of differences.

I'm not homosexual, so I don't feel well placed to advise you. but even I know you are expressing nonsensical bigotry.

Not at all.
As I said, I was parroting what others here constantly say.
That they cannot tell the difference between when religious books are talking about homo-rape or homo relations. You probably are one of the guys who can't tell the difference when you read either. The only reason you are offended is because I express it and you think I have ulterior motives. But the fact is that it was people on this board who acquainted me with that inability to tell the difference. Prior to that I thought the difference would be clear-cut.

 

[wittgenst3in]

Gulliamo

I don't know if there is evidence for Sodom or not.

 

[Radrook]

Gulliamo

I don't know if there is evidence for Sodom or not.

Some would argue vehemently back and forth ad infinitum over that provocative statement Mr. Wittgenst3in . Fortunately I am not one of them.

 

[Iacchus]

To clear things up, can you please say what you meant by this comment:

Homosexuality is an aberration from the norm. Of course a lot of it can come about strictly by trying to maintain certain stereotypes

I think when you start implying that certain types of behavior are strictly male or female, while leaving little leeway about which could be which, it tends to confuse people, since we're all both male and female. And, when people begin to discover that they don't measure up (most people don't), they begin to doubt themselves and question whether they really are homosexual. At which point peer pressure kicks in (good intentions or, bad), to harass and berate anyone who shows the first glimmer of the wrong type of behavior. Which, of course is totally unreasonable.

In which case we have a choice to follow the crowd, and adopt a type of behavior which is completely foreign or, tough it out with our own doubts and confusions at the expense of having no friends or, those who will sympathize with you anyway. Either way though, the seeds have been implanted for our first homosexual encounter.

 

[wittgenst3in]

After reading your post I'm still uncertain exactly what you mean by 'homosexuality is an abberation from the norm'.

Are you implying there are no real homosexual people? Or are you just saying that there is no clear line between bisexual and gay?

 

[Iacchus]

After reading your post I'm still uncertain exactly what you mean by 'homosexuality is an abberation from the norm'.

Are you implying there are no real homosexual people? Or are you just saying that there is no clear line between bisexual and gay?

I'm just saying a lot of it is the result of social conditioning, including the mindset that it entails.

 

[Elind]

From Islamic Ruling Concerning Homosexuality:

Islam considers homosexuality as a sexual deviation leading to a perverted act which goes against the natural order Allah intended for mankind. It is a corruption of the man's sexuality and a crime against the opposite sex. Therefore, the Islamic shari'ah strictly prohibits the practice of this perverted act. This is mentioned in many places in the holy Qur'an.
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However...there are many things in the Koran that are not taken excessively seriously by many, such as alcohol, sex with infidels (or alcohol and sex with infidels) and so on. However when I lived in the Arabian Gulf in the mid seventies, there were many men, westerners included, who were quite openly gay to the point of wearing makeup in public, and they were not stoned by the public. I saw one high level entertainment with dozens of guests, all men of course, that included a very suggestive dance by a very seductive female, who turned out to be a man, and it was all just considered good entertainment at the time.

That would not happen in the same way today, but I suspect the attitudes in the 70's had existed for hundreds of years, if not at least 1400, so whatever has happened in the last 30 or so must be the abberration.

 

[Marian]

Homosexuality is an aberration from the norm.

So is my red hair, freckles and fantastic tits. Your point would be?

 

[Iacchus]

So is my red hair, freckles and fantastic tits. Your point would be?

Would you care to prove it? Of course just to make sure that you weren't a guy, that would require proof too! By the way, I don't care for chicks who smoke either.

 

[Marian]

Would you care to prove it? Of course just to make sure that you weren't a guy, that would require proof too! By the way, I don't care for chicks who smoke either.

I actually exaggerated My hair is more an 'auburn' color than red.

Still, those things being outside any 'norm' have to do with what really?

 

[Iacchus]

I actually exaggerated My hair is more an 'auburn' color than red.

Still, those things being outside any 'norm' have to do with what really?

Hey, I don't see how red hair can interfere with reproduction. Homosexuality on the other hand? ... Well, that's another matter.

 

[Marian]

Hey, I don't see how red hair can interfere with reproduction. Homosexuality on the other hand? ... Well, that's another matter.

I'm infertile and a woman married to a man.

Again, your point would be?

 

[Iacchus]

I'm infertile and a woman married to a man.

Again, your point would be?

What does red hair have to do with infertility?

 

[Marian]

What does red hair have to do with infertility?

Not a whit, well as far as I know anyway.

However what does that have to do with this statement you made out of the blue:

Hey, I don't see how red hair can interfere with reproduction. Homosexuality on the other hand? ... Well, that's another matter.

I was talking about 'norms', which you brought up stating that homosexuality was outside the norm. Fine, but so are numerous things, neither good nor bad.

Now you bring in reproduction. Okay...not sure why you tossed that in, but I'm infertile and a woman married to a man, so your point would be what?

If you're ATTEMPTING to say (and I hate having to frame your argument for you ) that homosexuality is outside the norm, AND is negative (unlike other things outside the norm) because of lack of reproduction...then I'd also take issue with that. Especially since homosexuals are no more likely to be infertile than the rest of the population, and with surrogacy/sperm donors and adoption they can be parents of either their own biological children, or a child they have chosen to raise.

So I'm back to, your point is?

 

[Iacchus]

I was talking about 'norms', which you brought up stating that homosexuality was outside the norm. Fine, but so are numerous things, neither good nor bad.

So? And your point is?

 

[Marian]

So? And your point is?

My point is I'm wondering what you're talking about, because if you're making the argument I think you're making, it's incredibly weak.

If you're merely trolling through, it's gotten boring.

That's my point. So...what was yours?