Piscivore
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I'm finally getting around to "American Gods", and am idly wondering what the Quran has to say about the titular topic. Anyone know?
Islam and Homosexuality
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From Islamic Ruling Concerning Homosexuality:
Islam considers homosexuality as a sexual deviation leading to a perverted act which goes against the natural order Allah intended for mankind. It is a corruption of the man's sexuality and a crime against the opposite sex. Therefore, the Islamic shari'ah strictly prohibits the practice of this perverted act. This is mentioned in many places in the holy Qur'an.
The story of the people of the prophet Lut who were addicted to this practice, is the best example. Prophet Lut, alayhessalam said to his people: "Verily, you do sodomy with men, and rob the wayfarer! And practice all wickedness in your meetings," (Al-A-nkabut, 29:29). And he said to them: "Of all the creatures ofthe world, will you approach males, and leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your wives? Nay, you are a trespassing people!" (Al-Shu'ara', 26:165-166) But their answer to Prophet Lut, alayhessalam, was: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if you are telling us the Truth." (Al-Ankabut, 29:29). And so Allah gave them the punishment they deserved: "And We rained on them a rain of torment. And how evil was the rain of those who had been warned," (Al-Shu'ara', 26:173).
Just as a person who has a sexual urge should not satsfy it by committing zina, a person who has this perverted thought should not act upon it. In order to maintain the purity of the Muslim society, most Muslim scholars have ruled that the punishment for this act should be the same as for zina (i.e. one hundred whiplashes for the man who has never married, and death by stoning for the married man). Some have even ruled that it should be death for both partners, because the Prophet, sallallahu alayhe wa sallam, said: "Kill the doer and the one to whom it was done." (Related by Al-Bayhaqi).
And from IslamOnline - Ask About Islam:
There are five references in the Qur'an, which have been cited as referring to gay and lesbian behavior. Some obviously deal with “effeminate men” and “masculine women.” The two main references to homosexual behavior are in Surah 7, verses 80 – 81, where the Qur’an says that:
*{We also sent Lut. He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation [ever] committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.}*
Then Surah 26, verse 165 says that:
*{What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males, and leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are forward folk.}*
Both references relate to gay sexual activities; lesbian practices are not mentioned in the Qur'an. Lut is referred to as "Lot" in the Hebrew Scriptures. This passage is an apparent reference to the activities at Sodom and Gamorah.
It seems to imply that there was no homosexual behavior before it first appeared in Sodom. This is a uniquely Islamic concept; it does not appear in Jewish or Christian beliefs. The passage also links the sin of Sodom - the reason for its destruction - to homosexuality.
There is a consensus among Islamic scholars that all humans are naturally heterosexual. Homosexuality is seen by scholars to be sinful and a perverted deviation from the norm. All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful.
They only differ in terms of penalty. Some say that no physical punishment is warranted. Some see that severe punishment is warranted, while others require a minimum of 4 adult male witnesses before a person can be found guilty of a homosexual act.
Islam considers homosexuality as a sexual deviation leading to a perverted act which goes against the natural order Allah intended for mankind. It is a corruption of the man's sexuality and a crime against the opposite sex. Therefore, the Islamic shari'ah strictly prohibits the practice of this perverted act. This is mentioned in many places in the holy Qur'an.
The story of the people of the prophet Lut who were addicted to this practice, is the best example. Prophet Lut, alayhessalam said to his people: "Verily, you do sodomy with men, and rob the wayfarer! And practice all wickedness in your meetings," (Al-A-nkabut, 29:29). And he said to them: "Of all the creatures ofthe world, will you approach males, and leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your wives? Nay, you are a trespassing people!" (Al-Shu'ara', 26:165-166) But their answer to Prophet Lut, alayhessalam, was: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if you are telling us the Truth." (Al-Ankabut, 29:29). And so Allah gave them the punishment they deserved: "And We rained on them a rain of torment. And how evil was the rain of those who had been warned," (Al-Shu'ara', 26:173).
Just as a person who has a sexual urge should not satsfy it by committing zina, a person who has this perverted thought should not act upon it. In order to maintain the purity of the Muslim society, most Muslim scholars have ruled that the punishment for this act should be the same as for zina (i.e. one hundred whiplashes for the man who has never married, and death by stoning for the married man). Some have even ruled that it should be death for both partners, because the Prophet, sallallahu alayhe wa sallam, said: "Kill the doer and the one to whom it was done." (Related by Al-Bayhaqi).
And from IslamOnline - Ask About Islam:
There are five references in the Qur'an, which have been cited as referring to gay and lesbian behavior. Some obviously deal with “effeminate men” and “masculine women.” The two main references to homosexual behavior are in Surah 7, verses 80 – 81, where the Qur’an says that:
*{We also sent Lut. He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation [ever] committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.}*
Then Surah 26, verse 165 says that:
*{What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males, and leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are forward folk.}*
Both references relate to gay sexual activities; lesbian practices are not mentioned in the Qur'an. Lut is referred to as "Lot" in the Hebrew Scriptures. This passage is an apparent reference to the activities at Sodom and Gamorah.
It seems to imply that there was no homosexual behavior before it first appeared in Sodom. This is a uniquely Islamic concept; it does not appear in Jewish or Christian beliefs. The passage also links the sin of Sodom - the reason for its destruction - to homosexuality.
There is a consensus among Islamic scholars that all humans are naturally heterosexual. Homosexuality is seen by scholars to be sinful and a perverted deviation from the norm. All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful.
They only differ in terms of penalty. Some say that no physical punishment is warranted. Some see that severe punishment is warranted, while others require a minimum of 4 adult male witnesses before a person can be found guilty of a homosexual act.
Piscivore
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Thanks- good info.
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RCNelson said:
Kinky.
So let me get this straight. I see something that is (supposedly) a horiffic act, and the first think I have to get is go and get 3 friends? Would they even want to come watch?
wittgenst3in said:
Would you prefer that you could get a "severe punishment" to be inflicted upon someone by just saying that they deserve it? Or that some one else can get you punished by just saying so?
Most old justice systems demand more than one (neutral) witness for a crime before a sentence can be given (or a confession from the criminal). The aim is to reduce the number of cases where innocents get punished. The downside is that it is easier for a non-confessing criminal to get off without a punishment.
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LW said:
I know and I understand totally why the rule is in place, it just seems ironic that you have to go and get other people.
Mohammed:
Ashraf, come quickly! You won't believe what Hanbal is doing with Hassan!! You must all come see at once!
Ashraf:
Uh, no thanks Mohammed, I'm good.
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Gulliamo said:
How far back do seismographic records go?
/Thanks folks, I'll be here all week.
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Radrook said:
Rape
rape1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rp)
n.
The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.
Homosexuality
ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hm-sksh-l-t, -m-)
n.
Sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
Sexual activity with another of the same sex.
They are hardly the same.
Thank you for showing your bigotry - do not pass go, do not collect 200 Dollars, kthx.
Wow, an actual agreement.
But, unfortunately, that was short lived - Evolution has a lot of evidence behind it - are you still claiming that evolution is false?
Talk Origins
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Iacchus said:
What does that even mean? Does that mean that it's not found in nature? Neither are clothes.
BTW Bonobo primates have definetly been observed to have homosexual relationships.
If you mean that it's not what the majority of people do, well so are left handers. Don't hear anyone saying they're an abberation.
RabbiSatan said:
Ummmm, I was just repeating the confusion that everyone else here says they feel when any religious book talks about homosexuality--that they can't tell if it is talking about rape or homosexual sex. Why yoy calling me a bigot for saying what they say?
wittgenst3in said:
Same as being left handed.
No difference at all.
And if te Bonobos do it--shoots!
That means that it's OK!
Anybody can see that if an animal does it it's natural for us too cause we are animals too. Some ignorant people think we are different. But there is no difference at all.
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Iacchus said:So when's the last time two homosexuals got together and actually reproduced? If it was normal none of us would be here!
So if people don't reproduce they are abhorrations? Well, logically that would also make orthodox priests abhorrations. As well as the disabled, celibate, etc.