Is there a way to prevent CTers?

A lot of CTers are claiming now that everything makes sense except WTC7. Youtube is flooded with comments like "7 is teh key!!!", "7 blows da hole official storey out of da water!!1111"

Not that I expect any of them to read the report that's due out this summer, but hopefully someone will summarize it in a cool video with trendy music. That will shut a few of them up.

Remember though that we're talking about people who want to believe so badly that video taped confessions by the perps don't shake them.
 
I think the final and most effective solution is to sit down with a CT person at a computer, play a footage of 9/11, ask them what do they see. If they give you the wrong answer, tell them you want to show them something that they'll have to look closely. When they do, proceed to grab their head and bang it a bit lightly on the desk for about five times. Maybe, just maybe they would get the message once and for all, their theories are stupid and it will only bring them harm.
 
DavidJames said:
I think those are great steps for some CTists. Based solely on those I see posting here, I'm afraid those steps will fail on those whose (I don't know how else to say this but) brains aren't functioning to spec. It also will fail on those that are in it for the fame, notoriety and money.

I wonder what precentage of CTists are honestly looking for the truth. Again, based solely on what I see here, I'm afraid it's a small number.
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I agree, for most "truthers" or those who are already CTists, or CT inclined, the suggestions I have made will likely fail.

However, I was assuming the OP was asking for advice on how to prevent regular, ordinary but curious, people from buying and drinking the snake oil.

TAM:)
 
Gazpacho said:
Encourage them to read history books (from the book store, not Kevin's Konspiracy Klearinghouse). Most of them seem to be lacking perspective on the present.
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I agree that they are lacking perspective, and that reading more of any type of non-fiction book would probably help. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm thinking that good, accurate, but short, books would probably be the best place to start.

T.A.M. said:
1. Nip it in the bud. My sister and her Fiance saw Loose Change, and the minute the topic got brought up, I broke it down for them...they are no longer in the slightest bit 9/11 CTists.

2. Point them to good, logical resources. I am sure lurking here for a while, you have a list...9/11 myths, Gravy's links, 9/11debunking, etc...

3. Encourage them to be logical in how they approach everything. Make sure they understand that suspicion based on dislike or paranoia is not logical, or sound.

4. Show them how the 9/11 truth movement uses the same techniques as other, more obvious CTs such as "The Moon Landing was a Hoax" CT.

5. Try to be courteous, and non-inflammatory where possible. Do not make them feel stupid or you will alienate them.

TAM:)
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I agree with and try to do most of this. I am not entirely sure how to encourage people to be more logical...my attempts have never worked very well. I haven't tried comparing techniques with older CTs, but I will in the future.

OldTigerCub said:
Some very good points. I might add:
6. Encourage them to give more credibility to mainstream publications and broadcast companies and their associated websites, and to be very critical of information published by organizations or individuals promoting any political or social agenda, when looking for news or research information.
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I honestly hadn't thought about that. I'm not a big fan of the mainstream newscasts myself, because I feel they are sensationalized and shallow, so when they've started going off about the evil media, I've mostly ignored it. That probably was a mistake, since they see more bias than simple sensationalism and don't seem to separate TV news from government reports, professional journals, or other more accurate sources of information.

I would agree with those of you who are saying that it is a flaw in education (lack of critical thinking, lack of research skills, the idea that all opinions are valid, etc.), and that is what I would like to "fix." I am not concerned with convincing the existing CTers to change their mind, I am mostly concerned with keeping their CTness from spreading.
 
I had no idea you were so deep, Chillzero. I mean, I always though moderators lived in coffins. :D
 
One of the best cure-all books for 9/11 CT is Lawrence Wright's Looming Tower. There are more out there, but Wright's fantastic history of the fundamentalistic movement that became Al Qaeda got a well-deserved Pulitzer.
 
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iAmerican said:
..."Winthop yardbaby"...
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Okay, I'll probably regret this, but I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, even though he clearly thinks it does mean something. Even googling it didn't help.


So, WTF? Weird I can handle, but random weird still gets to me.....
 
winnietheblue said:
I agree that they are lacking perspective, and that reading more of any type of non-fiction book would probably help. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm thinking that good, accurate, but short, books would probably be the best place to start.
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I would say The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan, but there's 2 problems with it:

1.) The intellectual laziness of these people really knows no bounds. We're talking about people who do their "research" on Youtube because reading is . . . hard, and like, takes time and stuff.

2.) I've actually seen CTers cite this book in their favor :eek:
 
boloboffin said:
One of the best cure-all books for 9/11 CT is Lawrence Wright's Looming Tower. There are more out there, but Wright's fantastic history of the fundamentalistic movement that became Al Qaeda got a well-deserved Pulitzer.
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The Looming Tower is a fantastic book. I am about 1/2 way through it (I am a slow reader when I am trying to absorb all the material). The only problem I have with it, is he does not footnote. I would have loved to have such footnotes, so I could match the info with the sources, and from that critically resolve which info I felt was more reliable than others. In his after notes he himself makes note of the variance in reliability in sources, and how this effected what he did, and did not include in the book.

TAM:)
 
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cisco said:
I would say The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan, but there's 2 problems with it:

1.) The intellectual laziness of these people really knows no bounds. We're talking about people who do their "research" on Youtube because reading is . . . hard, and like, takes time and stuff.

2.) I've actually seen CTers cite this book in their favor :eek:
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The Demon Haunted World is one of my favorite books of all time. Sagan in general is one of my fav authors.

Your point #1, I do not see as a problem for the book, so much as a problem getting them to read it.

Problem #2, I would challenge them to do so, LOGICALLY.

TAM:)
 
Bill Clinton has Winthrop Rockefeller Nose & Hillary won a NY Senate Seat

Horatius said:
Okay, I'll probably regret this, but I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, even though he clearly thinks it does mean something. Even googling it didn't help.


So, WTF? Weird I can handle, but random weird still gets to me.....
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Go to Google Images and put in "Bill-Clinton Winthrop-Rockefeller" a number of websites, in Japan and elsewhere, have their juxtaposed schnozes. Then Google "James Blythe," Clinton's "putative" father. Compare and contrast the various topographies...just for "yucks." Explains the Diebold machines' "beating" the polls for Hillary in N.H. and how a girl from Chicago via Little Rock got popped into the Senate from NY.
 
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