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Is the USA's fiat money system bound to collapse?

PLEASE!! The bank gives cash?? The cash is a simple electronic transfer of numbers! If the loan was deposited into your account you could then draw on it as can a company..... but this money comes out of thin air! Did you watch the presentations or not? New debt was created not money!

I sense the approach of a Free(wo)man On The Land...

Dave
 
You seem genuine enough so I'll just correct the basics.

The thought first struck me several years ago when I was doing a some research online, and found out the federal reserve was a private company.

The Federal Reserve is a quasi government agency. The member banks of the Fed are private corporations but the board is a government agency with the governor appointed by the government. The member banks all receive 6% dividends on the stock they are mandated to purhase in the Federal Reserve system. Regardless of how much "profit" the Fed makes these banks do not earn any more than the 6% on the stock they own. All Fed "profits" are returned to the Treasury, minus expenses.

So, I began to do some research. Did you know the American government is in trillions of dollars of debt and continues to borrow more money?

The Fed facilitates this process, it does not create it. If there was no central bank the government could still take out massive loans.

Did you know it is impossible to get out of debt in a system which borrows money from a private federal reserve with interest attached.

This is completely wrong. You pay off national debt by cutting expenditure or raising taxes. The government pays nothing to the Fed (except expenses) in order for the Fed to operate.

Did you know your taxes go directly to the federal reserve bank and not the United states government?

I have no idea where you got this from. Taxes go to taxation agencies, such as the IRS or ATO. And again, the Fed is the US government.

The federal reserve bank has been loaning taxpayers dollars in the trillions to foreign countries for years now.

The Fed made a profit of $45 billion in 2009. More than 90% of which was given to other parts of the government.

They answer to no one, have never been audited, and control the nations stock markets, industries, media and wealth.

Central banks influence economic areas because that's what they're supposed to do (I won't bother with your assertion about the media, as it is completely laughable). A central bank's role is to influence the price of money and the amount of money in the supply, maintain stability in prices and foreign exchange, and act as a lender of last resort. It is the government's tool for directing the economy. Poorly directed on occasion perhaps, but that's economics for you.

The people have been manipulated and lied too! This won't be news to a forum of this magnitude, but the average person on the street has no inclination! All i ask is one thing, watch the two presentations that follow and write a critique of the material therein.

The Money Masters is a well-known piece of garbage and I doubt anyone here has the time or inclination to bother with it or its ilk.

I do sincerely hope i get some good honest feed back from people who have genuinely watched the presentations, and not just knee jerked reactions.

With all due respect most of us had encountered this type of paranoid fantasy regarding central banking well before you created this thread. I would suggest not wasting your time with conspiracy nonsense and learn how this stuff actually works.
 
I googled 755 trillion and found this article: http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/lanny-davis/107351-a-debt-free-america-yes-its-possible

Apparently 755 trillion was the sum total of all *transactions* in 2008.

A debt-free America? Yes — it’s possible = absolute poo!!! Come on!!!

Especally DEW to the fact that china is going to buy america! Can someone with more of an understading of this fact please explain in whole the implications that this is going to have not just for america but for europe?

It has been stated by a CT'er that this total collaps will happen this year! I hope this information is wrong........ it scares me, but there is no point hiding from it!
 
You seem genuine enough so I'll just correct the basics.



The Federal Reserve is a quasi government agency. The member banks of the Fed are private corporations but the board is a government agency with the governor appointed by the government. The member banks all receive 6% dividends on the stock they are mandated to purhase in the Federal Reserve system. Regardless of how much "profit" the Fed makes these banks do not earn any more than the 6% on the stock they own. All Fed "profits" are returned to the Treasury, minus expenses.



The Fed facilitates this process, it does not create it. If there was no central bank the government could still take out massive loans.



This is completely wrong. You pay off national debt by cutting expenditure or raising taxes. The government pays nothing to the Fed (except expenses) in order for the Fed to operate.



I have no idea where you got this from. Taxes go to taxation agencies, such as the IRS or ATO. And again, the Fed is the US government.



The Fed made a profit of $45 billion in 2009. More than 90% of which was given to other parts of the government.



Central banks influence economic areas because that's what they're supposed to do (I won't bother with your assertion about the media, as it is completely laughable). A central bank's role is to influence the price of money and the amount of money in the supply, maintain stability in prices and foreign exchange, and act as a lender of last resort. It is the government's tool for directing the economy. Poorly directed on occasion perhaps, but that's economics for you.



The Money Masters is a well-known piece of garbage and I doubt anyone here has the time or inclination to bother with it or its ilk.



With all due respect most of us had encountered this type of paranoid fantasy regarding central banking well before you created this thread. I would suggest not wasting your time with conspiracy nonsense and learn how this stuff actually works.

The Money Masters is a well-known piece of garbage and I doubt anyone here has the time or inclination to bother with it or its ilk.

Please shout "DEBUNKED" a little louder, then more free thinking people will watch it!

Thanks
Dawn
 
Dawn, you've indicated that you don't think a "true" audit of the Federal Reserve has been carried out. What would you consider to be a true audit, and what do you think was lacking from the external audits that have already taken place?
 
Dawn, you've indicated that you don't think a "true" audit of the Federal Reserve has been carried out. What would you consider to be a true audit, and what do you think was lacking from the external audits that have already taken place?

the "FED" determines how and to what what degree it can be "audited", which in fact is NOT an audit at all, unless completely audited!! all foreign dealings are EXEMPT from GAO inspection!

Its dead simple, just nationalise it! Then more for the american people, and less tax. Hopfully the rest of the world would follow!
 
Please shout "DEBUNKED" a little louder, then more free thinking people will watch it!

Thanks
Dawn

I took the time and effort to explain basic facts to you and that's your response?

There are few, if any, regular posters in this sub-forum who are unfamiliar with the claims made in Money Masters (if not the movie itself). We already know what's in it, we already know it's nonsense, nobody is going to waste hours of their time watching some stupid internet video for a silly girl who is unable to respond even to the most simple of criticisms. Virtually nothing you have said about the Fed is accurate and your inability to engage the topic just illustrates you don't know what you're talking about.
 
the "FED" determines how and to what what degree it can be "audited"

Incorrect. Congress controls everything the Fed can and cannot do. Congress could abolition the Fed if it wanted.

which in fact is NOT an audit at all, unless completely audited!! all foreign dealings are EXEMPT from GAO inspection!

Perhaps you could explain to us which open market operations you consider especially important with regards to auditing, and what influence you believe further auditing would achieve?

Its dead simple, just nationalise it!

Nationalise a government agency?

Then more for the american people, and less tax. Hopfully the rest of the world would follow!

Plenty of governments already have completely nationalised central banks. Guess what? They work virtually the same as the Fed does.
 

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