Is the Truthmovement already dead?

Is the truthmovement dead?

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The following may be anecdotal, but it'd be impossible to support my experience with hard evidence.

Within these (skeptic) circles the truth movement is dying if not already dead.
The most vocal of those in the LC camp may be receiving less direct/visible support but they're not currently extinct at all. They'll keep on peddling their lies until they're blue in the face.

However, in the real world there are plenty of people who don't frequent JREF, Loose Change etc. but who believe in some conspiracy or other and who are insidiously spreading confusion and doubt to other uninformed people. I both meet and overhear them regularly.

It's slowly spreading and growing, but very quietly. Not so much as a movement, more as a general sense of unease and disquiet.
 
It must be alive if the FBI is stalking Jason Bermas, surely?

Although Dylan's nonchalant way of posting this and his jokey turn of phrase makes me think that he's definitely only in it for the money (and the chance to direct Charlie Sheen's next great work of art).
 
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maccy said:
Dylan has declared war on the no-planers:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=880
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WHAT??? They kicked the most credible MIHOP-Theory?
Now this is really sad.
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They are killing off sections and their LooseChangeInTheHead rule is "The Loose Change Forums are a place for intelligent, respectful exchange of ideas, regardless of opinion."

Just ideas, no facts, just opinions, no evidence. So why start killing parts of the CT ideas, are those ideas just as dumb as Dylans make money idea?
 
beachnut said:
They are killing off sections and their LooseChangeInTheHead rule is "The Loose Change Forums are a place for intelligent, respectful exchange of ideas, regardless of opinion."

Just ideas, no facts, just opinions, no evidence. So why start killing parts of the CT ideas, are those ideas just as dumb as Dylans make money idea?
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Well, some of these guys are paranoid. Dylan just
deleted his own "The FBI is spying me"-thread. I
guess because the FBI may not like the thread. :D
 
Here's a call to action that's making its way around the truther forums and blogs:

John Doraemi* said:
Burn a copy of the 9-11 Commission Report in front of Congress on January 3rd, 2007

Seize the moment with a new tea party for the new millenium.

The 9-11 Truth Movement should converge on the new business as usual 110th Congress, and bring as much media and independent video as possible. As Nancy Pelosi plays footsie with George W. Bush, the movement will burn a giant stack of 9-11 Ommission Commission reports outside the building.

This is the time. This is the opportunity. If you can get to the US Capitol on January 3rd with a copy of the 9-11 Commission Report (printed off the internet, or purchased), then make a huge bonfire. Challenge the congress to see the movement. Challenge them to acknowledge the crowds. Challenge them to respond.

Please pass this to everyone in the 9-11 Truth Movement. Time is of the essence. January 3rd, 2007 is when the new Congress seizes power.

As far as I know, burning the flag is First Amendment protected speech. Therefore burning this state sponsored collection of lies should also fall under First Amendment protected speech, as well as petitioning the government for a redress of grievances.
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http://www.911blogger.com/node/4653

Hmm... book burning - who does that remind you of?

Actually, I predict that this action will fail to materialise and will show how much the "movement" is dwindling. In the comments they're already arguing about whether or not it's a good idea to burn the books.

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another idea, would be to build a steel frame to contain the books, and dress it up to look like the twin towers. and when they are both buring uncontrollablely, point out the fact that the steel frame is in no danger of collapsing at free fall speed.
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May also be some discussion at LC (if there's anybody left)
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1147


*Did this guy really name himself after a song from The Sound of Music?
 
another idea, would be to build a steel frame to contain the books, and dress it up to look like the twin towers. and when they are both buring uncontrollablely, point out the fact that the steel frame is in no danger of collapsing at free fall speed.
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Maybe the troofers can sit inside those burning frames, and show us what hell the victims went trough.

◊◊◊◊ him, what an a-hole! :mad:
 
jhunter1163 said:
Book burning, suppression of dissent... smacks of fascism.

Makes me wanna go hug GWB.... well, not really. But he IS far less of a fascist than our twoofer friends.
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It's such a stupid idea that I'm hoping that at least some of them actually do it. It'd definitely be another nail in the coffin of the movement.
 
maccy said:
It's such a stupid idea that I'm hoping that at least some of them actually do it. It'd definitely be another nail in the coffin of the movement.
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It's almost as good as someone's suggestion a couple months ago that they should all go take a dump on the White House lawn. Unfortunately, they never went through with it.
 
I voted that it's dying.

For a long time it's been nothing but the same old things over and over from the CTs. No new "evidence" (or old evidence, for that matter). The movement seemed to be growing for a while with the build-up to their little get-together on 9/11. Since then, the Loose Change Forums have been evacuated by everyone except the hardcore nutters and a few other straglers.

Although the 9/11 conspiracies will never completely go away, I'm actually anticipating the release of the next Loose Change movie. In some alternate CT version of reality, the more 'underground' a movie is, the more legitamacy they seem to give it. And the less likely any experts will bother debunking it (which they may see as unintentionally giving it credibility).
If Do-Over Dylan gets the publicity and release that he's predicting, I predict you'll see many more experts coming out of the woodwork. People who up until now couldn't be bothered debunking this nonsense, may see the need to simply step up with an opinion.

As it stands, Dylan and Co have already rattled the cages of people who have more intelligence then them and the movie has been exposed for what it is (see: the canceled screening in Germany). Coffee houses, private screenings, and google video will mostly attract the intended audience. Let Dylan release it to the masses and watch the reaction.

I think a major release of Loose Change is just another nail in the 9/11 conspiracy coffin.
 
If you want to see how badly the movement is doing, look at the loose change stats old vs new.
Most users on line
Old - 1225 (on September 11)
New - 48
JREF - 874
Number of members
Old - 5906 (Actually less than 5600 exist. 2220 have not made any posts)
New - 916 (500 of whom have not made any posts and 200 have made only one post)
JREF - 2285 (Actuve members) 10,333 actual members
 
In which Mr. Logan dances a jig

There you go. Let us dance on the grave of the movement that was never a movement.

[Herewith Mr. Logan danceth a jig.]

The midterm elections in the U.S. were quite a blow. If everyone was waking up, they would not be voting for either party. Once again, history itself debunks the conspiracy paradigm.

Nya-ha-hahahaa!

Not that the conspiracy folks will notice. I'm sure they'll soon be misinterpreting some other major event.
 
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Just as a cautionary aside, let me relate two anecdotes:

First, it was predicted when Clinton was elected President that Rush Limbaugh's conservative movement was dead.

Second, in Martin Gardner's "Fads and Fallacies", he stated that the Dianetics movement appeared to be losing steam and would soon be extinct. This was fifty years ago, and Scientology is still going strong.

Or is it losing steam?
 
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