I see how that method of debate can make it seem like a CTer wins. Get rid of the opposition. Must make their lives really boring if they all think more or less the same.
Is the Truthmovement already dead?
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rjh01
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Which is where sites like JREF can be useful. If you want a good debate with anti CTs without risk of any sensible person being banned then you can come here.
This could be why we have a full page of CT topics that people have responded to in the last day and half. The second page contains threads no more than a week old.
This could be why we have a full page of CT topics that people have responded to in the last day and half. The second page contains threads no more than a week old.
I have to agree with that. When I really think about it, not one person I know has ever said "so have you ever seen this 'Loose Change' film?" Not one. Most people are unaware that documentaries like this even exist. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying that half a million people in the U.S. believe in this(and I personally believe the number of people that actually believe it is FAR less, this is an extremely generous estimate), that would still only be lest than two tenths of a percent of people who believe it(.166% to be exact). In my opinion, that hardly constitutes a "movement".
I would agree, but I doubt they are making that much money. When nobody really cares, how are they going make that much? I'm even willing to bet that the "big timers" like Alex Jones really aren't making that much money. Seems to me that they are in it for the fame and attention, although I highly doubt many people have even heard of Dylan or Jones and they will soon realize it.
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We'll find out how much money Alex Jones has when he calls me a Nazi, a traitor, or an agent on his show--and I sue his ass.
Don't you get sick of these guys calling everyone and his brother a "government shill"--never with a shred of proof? Apparently, one fights the New World Order by badmouthing everyone. What a bunch of losers.
Don't you get sick of these guys calling everyone and his brother a "government shill"--never with a shred of proof? Apparently, one fights the New World Order by badmouthing everyone. What a bunch of losers.
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Just take a look at their Lounge to see how "hot" their
secret exposure issues about the evil inside job are :
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showforum=6
Mom Cooks Baby In Microwave (???)
Who Are Some Of The The Fasicts Corps. Of The Nwo (LTW?)
Misconceptions About Islam! (Pages 1 2 ) (Whaddayamean - Islam?)
What Have You Done For The Movement?blush
John Conner Makes News In Iran (Drama Queen)
Fundie Jews & The Promised Land (Da Jooos - see: Who are facists/NWO)
Fast Food Nation (and it´s a cover up?)
Re-instating The Military Draft (Pages 1 2 ) (Asking in a 9/11CT-Lounge?)
Anybody Wanna Do This? (I´m too fearful)
Is Anyone Worried? (Yes, about the dying troofment)
What Would The Bush Admin Gain From Invading Iraq? (No reelection?)
Still Not A Civil War? (You tell me: Fetzer vs the Jones)
Nypd & Nyfd Threatned? (Ask Roxdog)
Hows Your Luck Then (Is it interesting?)
Need More Votes On This! (Killtown needs support for photofake-poll)
I'm Doing A Speech On 9/11! (Please YouTube it for some laughs)
Jesus And New World Order - Must See (No, must laugh.)
911 Truth Elements In Casino Royal (And nobody remembers afterwards)
U.s. Income Tax (Pages 1 2 3 ) (snore)
All Conspiracies In The World! (Pages 1 2 ) (especially american ones)
Cops On Steroids (CT´s on drugs)
America: Freedom To Fascism Vs. Loose Change (Thank you, Aaron, Fetzer...)
Has Anyone Read The Commision Report? (LOL?)
Check This Out (Nope, but the next thread with same header)
Question (There it is)
'wicked' (musical prequel to the Wizard of Oz)
Google (How to block our research-engine? Seriously?)
South Park Episode On 9/11! (Ever .... ever.)
Love the commentary, Oliver.aggle-rithm
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This kind of reminds me of the movie "Boogie Nights", where the protagonist thought he was a big-shot because he was so well-known in the porn industry. When he had to make it in the real world, he quickly realized nobody knew, or cared, who the hell he was.
(Just thought I'd bring it up, because the thought of comparing the troof movement to the porn industry is so satisfying...)
The money thing is relative - to Dylan, he's never seen so much riches - It sure beats washing dishes at Red Lobster. He's flying on airplanes! He's the king of Oneonta. He's got new stuff!
For Jones, it is staying "relevant" Keeping the BS machine oiled.
Again, relative. You can sue OJ for $40Mill, but if he ain't got it, you don't get it.
Audit Dylan Avery and company. Has he been given a laundered "donation" from a foreign agent to "help defray the costs" of his give away DVD's?
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Gurkhas running the slave camps?
Yes, they are tough guys. There are still two battalions of the Royal Gurkha Regiment on the British payroll, as all the famous Gurkha regiments got amalgamated when Hong Kong was handed back to China. Four of the five battalions were based there. Now they are at Church Crookham in England. One would be rotated (and still is) to Brunei, paid for by the Sultan. They protect Brunei and its oil from hostiles, and get good jungle training.
The Gurkhas led the British into Bosnia, and were in East Timor for those events.
The Indian Army also has Gurkha regiments.
But yes, they're peaceful when not ordered to attack. Then they have a habit, even on maneuvers, of not stopping when the boss tells them to.
As for the slave camps...amazing how long they've been warning us of them and they still haven't happened! It's been five years since 9/11, and no slave camps. It's been 35 years since the anti-Vietnam movement, and no slave camps. It's been 50 years since Brown v. Board of Education, and still no slave camps.
So what should I do with all this barbed wire I'm stockpiling to sell to Uncle Sam for those camps?
Yes, they are tough guys. There are still two battalions of the Royal Gurkha Regiment on the British payroll, as all the famous Gurkha regiments got amalgamated when Hong Kong was handed back to China. Four of the five battalions were based there. Now they are at Church Crookham in England. One would be rotated (and still is) to Brunei, paid for by the Sultan. They protect Brunei and its oil from hostiles, and get good jungle training.
The Gurkhas led the British into Bosnia, and were in East Timor for those events.
The Indian Army also has Gurkha regiments.
But yes, they're peaceful when not ordered to attack. Then they have a habit, even on maneuvers, of not stopping when the boss tells them to.
As for the slave camps...amazing how long they've been warning us of them and they still haven't happened! It's been five years since 9/11, and no slave camps. It's been 35 years since the anti-Vietnam movement, and no slave camps. It's been 50 years since Brown v. Board of Education, and still no slave camps.
So what should I do with all this barbed wire I'm stockpiling to sell to Uncle Sam for those camps?
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Arguing with brick walls
Neo-Nazis do a similar thing to CTers, in that they toss opponents off of their groups, like "Committee for the Open Debate of the Holocaust" or "Stormfront."
They also berate them in that and other settings, often with a lot of homophobic and homo-erotic insults, which reveal in the neo-Nazi an amazing knowledge of gay sex practices and toys. It makes me wonder how these defenders of racial purity are so familiar with such acts of degeneracy.
Do the CTers hurl homophobic insults, too? It's interesting to see how similar they are and how they often share the same views: denying the Holocaust, doubting the 9/11 Commission, blaming the Jews, and so on.
Neo-Nazis do a similar thing to CTers, in that they toss opponents off of their groups, like "Committee for the Open Debate of the Holocaust" or "Stormfront."
They also berate them in that and other settings, often with a lot of homophobic and homo-erotic insults, which reveal in the neo-Nazi an amazing knowledge of gay sex practices and toys. It makes me wonder how these defenders of racial purity are so familiar with such acts of degeneracy.
Do the CTers hurl homophobic insults, too? It's interesting to see how similar they are and how they often share the same views: denying the Holocaust, doubting the 9/11 Commission, blaming the Jews, and so on.
Apparently they practice it amongst themselves.
of course they do.
It's also funny how often they defend their Jewish slander by claiming that they are or have Jewish blood in their family. Guess they forget about Daniel Burros.
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Kiwiwriter
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The paranoids are after them
Yeah, that's what fascinates me about these guys. They have this incredible sense of self-importance combined with massive paranoia. As if the government has the time and energy to waste on hiring some clown to devote his every waking moment to annoying a CTer on the web with nasty cracks. As if the government would care, having wars to fight and fake airline hijackings to stage, and secret Masonic/Jewish/occult rituals to conduct.
I think the only government agencies with any interest in these CTers are probably the welfare agencies and the repo men.
And the outer limit of the CTers' ability to overthrow the government and expose the grand conspiracy is to, as you say, accuse a like-minded paranoid of being a shill or a government plant. These guys probably do indeed check their toothpaste for wiretaps.
Yeah, that's what fascinates me about these guys. They have this incredible sense of self-importance combined with massive paranoia. As if the government has the time and energy to waste on hiring some clown to devote his every waking moment to annoying a CTer on the web with nasty cracks. As if the government would care, having wars to fight and fake airline hijackings to stage, and secret Masonic/Jewish/occult rituals to conduct.
I think the only government agencies with any interest in these CTers are probably the welfare agencies and the repo men.
And the outer limit of the CTers' ability to overthrow the government and expose the grand conspiracy is to, as you say, accuse a like-minded paranoid of being a shill or a government plant. These guys probably do indeed check their toothpaste for wiretaps.
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Do-re-me, me, me
Not as much as the neo-Nazis and Klukkers. Their scams are long-established. In the 1960s, the House Un-American Activities Committee hauled some high-ranking Klukkers on the stand, and they had to admit they were taking the dues money and spending it on new cars and groceries, which generated some laughter and sent some guys to prison.
More recently, David Duke spent 15 months in the federal can for defrauding his supporters. His scam was pretty neat...he sent out endless begging letters, all of the same variety...the neo-Nazi movement was facing defeat, but on the edge of victory, and just a few more dollars would put it over the top. Send cash or checks.
When Duke got them at his home in Metairie, Louisiana, he cashed the checks in the early afternoon, and in the late afternoon a limo would pick him up and take him to one of the Mississippi River floating casinos. He was a "whale," getting comped for everything. There he would put his donors' hard-donated money on the roulette and craps tables, heedless of the fact that he was surrounded by the minorities he hated, and touching dice they had handled. He gambled big and lost big, but didn't care...next day, he'd just cash more checks or fire off another donatino request.
However, this violated IRS rules for non-profits, so the Nazi spent 15 months in clack, and lost a lot of supporters, who were understandably angry.
Other neo-Nazis have been caught spending their donations on strippers, vacations, escort services, and prostitutes. Tom Metzger spent his on a hairpiece. And William Pierce sold the rights to his novel "The Turner Diaries" to Lyle Stuart, a Jewish publisher. Made him bucks, cost him supporters. Race betrayal, you see.
So there is an element in the looney world of cynical opportunism and thinly-disguised graft and corruption. That's not surprising, considering how corrupt and cynical the real Nazis were.
I suspect that there is such an element in the 9/11 movement. But it won't go as far, because these guys are more paranoid than neo-Nazis, if that's possible. When they sit down with these Hollywood hacks for these six-figure deals, their paranoia will invade the proceedings, and the studio executives will high-tail it back to Bel-Air.
Not as much as the neo-Nazis and Klukkers. Their scams are long-established. In the 1960s, the House Un-American Activities Committee hauled some high-ranking Klukkers on the stand, and they had to admit they were taking the dues money and spending it on new cars and groceries, which generated some laughter and sent some guys to prison.
More recently, David Duke spent 15 months in the federal can for defrauding his supporters. His scam was pretty neat...he sent out endless begging letters, all of the same variety...the neo-Nazi movement was facing defeat, but on the edge of victory, and just a few more dollars would put it over the top. Send cash or checks.
When Duke got them at his home in Metairie, Louisiana, he cashed the checks in the early afternoon, and in the late afternoon a limo would pick him up and take him to one of the Mississippi River floating casinos. He was a "whale," getting comped for everything. There he would put his donors' hard-donated money on the roulette and craps tables, heedless of the fact that he was surrounded by the minorities he hated, and touching dice they had handled. He gambled big and lost big, but didn't care...next day, he'd just cash more checks or fire off another donatino request.
However, this violated IRS rules for non-profits, so the Nazi spent 15 months in clack, and lost a lot of supporters, who were understandably angry.
Other neo-Nazis have been caught spending their donations on strippers, vacations, escort services, and prostitutes. Tom Metzger spent his on a hairpiece. And William Pierce sold the rights to his novel "The Turner Diaries" to Lyle Stuart, a Jewish publisher. Made him bucks, cost him supporters. Race betrayal, you see.
So there is an element in the looney world of cynical opportunism and thinly-disguised graft and corruption. That's not surprising, considering how corrupt and cynical the real Nazis were.
I suspect that there is such an element in the 9/11 movement. But it won't go as far, because these guys are more paranoid than neo-Nazis, if that's possible. When they sit down with these Hollywood hacks for these six-figure deals, their paranoia will invade the proceedings, and the studio executives will high-tail it back to Bel-Air.
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The mincing Fuhrer?
Originally Posted by Kiwiwriter
They also berate them in that and other settings, often with a lot of homophobic and homo-erotic insults, which reveal in the neo-Nazi an amazing knowledge of gay sex practices and toys. It makes me wonder how these defenders of racial purity are so familiar with such acts of degeneracy.
Apparently they practice it amongst themselves.
>>>>>So' I've read. Billy Sol Hargis got nailed for nailing little boys, as did Frank Collig, who tried to lead his neo-Nazis into Skokie, Illinois, back in 1978. That doesn't surprise me...the biggest gay-bashers often are deeply closeted homosexuals, like Roy Cohn. They scream and rant and rave about gays to deflect attention from their own lives, to convince themselves that just because they bop boys, they're still rugged macho men, and most importantly, to explain their vast knowledge of the gay lifestyle. When I read about the neo-Nazi activities and people, I'm struck by how so much of their activities are re-channeled latent homosexuality.
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Do the CTers hurl homophobic insults, too?
of course they do.
>>>>> Which makes me start wondering about those guys.
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It's interesting to see how similar they are and how they often share the same views: denying the Holocaust, doubting the 9/11 Commission, blaming the Jews, and so on.
It's also funny how often they defend their Jewish slander by claiming that they are or have Jewish blood in their family. Guess they forget about Daniel Burros.
>>>>>> And I forgot about him. But while Burros was the most tragic case of a Jew drawn into Nazism, he was not the funniest. That title belongs to Andrew Britt Greenbaum, aka Davis Wolfgang Hawke. I wrote a column about him on my web page. He went from being a Jewish high school chess champion to being a neo-Nazi faux Fuhrer in college to selling fake Viagra on the web. Frank Collig, by the way, was really Frank Cohen, son of a Holocaust survivor and a Jew. I guess he had serious issues with Daddy. Since Frank also had serious pedophilia, I wonder if he and Daddy got too close for comfort.
This is something that's important, and it teeters on the edge of the ad hominem arguments with these morons...a number of them are really, really, sick, perverted, people. I'm not talking about the minor nuttery of paranoia and immense egomania...I'm talking about the kind of garbage NAMBLA puts out. You can point that out, and it does make them look ridiculous to observers with any common sense or humanity, but it is an ad hominem attack. Still, behavior like that says more about them and their world than their dopey theories about Area 51.
Originally Posted by Kiwiwriter
They also berate them in that and other settings, often with a lot of homophobic and homo-erotic insults, which reveal in the neo-Nazi an amazing knowledge of gay sex practices and toys. It makes me wonder how these defenders of racial purity are so familiar with such acts of degeneracy.
Apparently they practice it amongst themselves.
>>>>>So' I've read. Billy Sol Hargis got nailed for nailing little boys, as did Frank Collig, who tried to lead his neo-Nazis into Skokie, Illinois, back in 1978. That doesn't surprise me...the biggest gay-bashers often are deeply closeted homosexuals, like Roy Cohn. They scream and rant and rave about gays to deflect attention from their own lives, to convince themselves that just because they bop boys, they're still rugged macho men, and most importantly, to explain their vast knowledge of the gay lifestyle. When I read about the neo-Nazi activities and people, I'm struck by how so much of their activities are re-channeled latent homosexuality.
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Do the CTers hurl homophobic insults, too?
of course they do.
>>>>> Which makes me start wondering about those guys.
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It's interesting to see how similar they are and how they often share the same views: denying the Holocaust, doubting the 9/11 Commission, blaming the Jews, and so on.
It's also funny how often they defend their Jewish slander by claiming that they are or have Jewish blood in their family. Guess they forget about Daniel Burros.
>>>>>> And I forgot about him. But while Burros was the most tragic case of a Jew drawn into Nazism, he was not the funniest. That title belongs to Andrew Britt Greenbaum, aka Davis Wolfgang Hawke. I wrote a column about him on my web page. He went from being a Jewish high school chess champion to being a neo-Nazi faux Fuhrer in college to selling fake Viagra on the web. Frank Collig, by the way, was really Frank Cohen, son of a Holocaust survivor and a Jew. I guess he had serious issues with Daddy. Since Frank also had serious pedophilia, I wonder if he and Daddy got too close for comfort.
This is something that's important, and it teeters on the edge of the ad hominem arguments with these morons...a number of them are really, really, sick, perverted, people. I'm not talking about the minor nuttery of paranoia and immense egomania...I'm talking about the kind of garbage NAMBLA puts out. You can point that out, and it does make them look ridiculous to observers with any common sense or humanity, but it is an ad hominem attack. Still, behavior like that says more about them and their world than their dopey theories about Area 51.
CurtC
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This kind of stuff is pathetic and it reminds me of a thread they recently started over at the LC forum. It is basically them naming a bunch of corporations that they say are involved in the NWO. I'm no legal expert, but I have to believe that there could be some sort of legal action taken against the forums if any of these companies thought it to be necessary. By associating them with the "NWO", and it being on a 9/11 CT forum, it sounds to me like they are accusing companies such as Coca Cola and Verizon of being behind the 9/11 attacks as well. Sounds like slander.
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A conspiracists' whole life is essentially one long act of slander, right? Their whole belief system is a libel on everyone in the world. Everyone is a Nazi or a sheeple or an agent or a Reptoid--all allegations made against everyone and his brother, for year after year, without any evidence for any of it.
Fortunately for the CTs, no one sues loonies.
I can vouch that homophobia is very strong among many conspiracy guys. The ones here in Austin are essentially Brownshirts--without the Brownshirts' ability to get organized. One English dude was taking my YouTube videos and adding obscene voiceovers--always to the effect that I was gay. They really are sickos.
Fortunately for the CTs, no one sues loonies.
I can vouch that homophobia is very strong among many conspiracy guys. The ones here in Austin are essentially Brownshirts--without the Brownshirts' ability to get organized. One English dude was taking my YouTube videos and adding obscene voiceovers--always to the effect that I was gay. They really are sickos.
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jhunter1163
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What the hell...the woowoos are imploding...David Duke is now in their ranks?!?
Please please PLEASE tell me you're not joking...