Is the Truthmovement already dead?

Is the truthmovement dead?

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I think it will take a few years for this conspiracy to wither away. My theory is that conspiracy theories find their greatest support among young people who believe they are the first to witness cataclysmic events and who lack the experience needed to put things into the proper historical perspective. In a few years, there will be many young people out on the internet too young to remember 9/11, so their conspiracy theories will focus on some future event.

It's really depressing comparing today's young people to the "greatest generation" of WWII. Back then, the overwhelming majority of young people responded with "what can I do to help?", whereas today it's more like, "how can I stir up trouble, while drawing attention to myself?" Maybe they'll be remembered as the "crappiest generation".
 
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I think it's dying, but it's going to be a slow death...as long as there are idiots with penknives to grind, cynical opportunists, paranoids, cranks, losers, and general nutters, there will be 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

Sort of like Holocaust deniers and anti-Mason nuts.

However, I think that their impact, such as it is, on American civic discourse will continue to decline as history rumbles along. They will be undone by their own paranoia, lack of facts, idiotic behavior, and the absurdity of their claims. The audience will find their show shrill and boring, and their supporters will move on to different but similar conspiracy theories.

These guys all have the same basic ideas...they just change the window dressing. 9/11 conspiracy theories come out of pre-existing and shopworn material about bankers, the Bilderbergers, Jews, Masons, the federal reserve bank, the Illuminati, and the CIA. No matter what happens, there's a conspiracy, and it's the same conspiracy behind it.

The other thing that wears them down is how they spout apocalyptic rhetoric ALL THE TIME. The battle isn't just today's battle, it's the FINAL BATTLE. The bad guys are about to finally take over the world and establish slave camps run by Gurkhas where everyone wears implanted mind-control chips in their butts, while Satanic Jews conduct rituals to bring about the end of the world. The only thing that stands between them and disaster is the looney tune spouting this guff, and we all have to get behind him and buy his disaster kit at $17.95 plus postage and handling.

And if you buy the disaster kit, when the "day of the rope" comes, and America turns into something out of Mad Max, the followers of the looney tune will walk into the White House, take it over, find the keys to the nuclear missiles and the paper trail behind the conspiracy, and nuke the looney tune's enemies while exposing the truth to the world from the White House TV studio on CNN.

So the followers buy the disaster kit...and the disaster never happens. And the looney tune is still as far away from power as he was before, and the world goes spinning along merrily. Often, the endless ritual of preparing for the big demonstration, standing in front of the Post Office yelling "Sieg Heil" or "9/11 was faked," arguing with hecklers, and then the big part, re-living it afterwards with the photographs, wears down the party members, and they either go into something else, or split off into their own party when they find the boss is not using the money for that nuclear shelter, but instead investing heavily in drugs and prostitutes.

So that outfit dies, and another one replaces it, and goes on for a few years, until it runs out of energy...but as they go along, they increasingly become parodies of themselves, and not many people take it seriously...except the new members, who become the hardcore. There are always suckers out there.
 
And all the MySpace truth-sites look like
Bush-Fan-Sites with his picture plastered
all over the place... :rolleyes:
 
Kiwiwriter said:
The bad guys are about to finally take over the world and establish slave camps run by Gurkhas
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Can I just say, I don't think I'd mind a slave camp run by Gurkhas? From what I understand from my friends who've actually worked with them, as long as they haven't been ordered to kill you, they're actually pretty nice guys.

Of course, if they have been ordered to kill you, you're screwed. But at least they won't mess with you just out of meanness.....
 
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aggle-rithm said:
First, it was predicted when Clinton was elected President that Rush Limbaugh's conservative movement was dead.

Second, in Martin Gardner's "Fads and Fallacies", he stated that the Dianetics movement appeared to be losing steam and would soon be extinct. This was fifty years ago, and Scientology is still going strong.
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I think the difference is, with an actual political movement, or a religion, they offer positive goals to work for, even if those goals seem far off (or a bit nutty) right now. There's always another election that you can try to win, or another source of salvation to seek, or good works to be done.

In contrast, the CTists only offer negatives- a world run by a super conspriacy, or satanists and the like, who will kill us all because the sheeple will never wake up. It's always armegeddon time, and things will never get better. A constant stream of negativity will wear out everybody but the hard core nutters, eventually, and new recruits will be less likely to join, since they see no benefit to it.
 
It's just taken a few extra years for the conservative movement to die, that's all.

In my mind, the Truthers are mostly white males of below-average intelligence who think they're geniuses. I would cite any of the CTs who visit here as proof.

These guys will always be around, and they will always believe there's a takeover going on that only they can see. But a bunch of people who reflexively call everyone who disagrees with them "agents" are never going anywhere.
 
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Not dead yet but with so called truthers accusing each other of being disinformation agents and their quickly resorting to ad hominem attacks, it isn't gonna be long till we need to write them an eulogy.
 
~enigma~ said:
Not dead yet but with so called truthers accusing each other of being disinformation agents and their quickly resorting to ad hominem attacks, it isn't gonna be long till we need to write them an eulogy.
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I will miss them - that´s for sure. Especially
my favorite all-time Clown PDoherty. I hope
he will find some other conspiracies he can
comment with his math-degree... :(

And welcome on Board, Enigma. :)
 
The Demon's Head said:
I mainly see it thriving on MySpace.
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There is a guy on myspace who is hosting a petition to remove the 9/11 truth group. From my understanding this guy is a former subscriber to the group, isn't that what would be condisered infighting? Then again, what about the Fetzer, Jones and Wood love triangle?
 
Well I see a distinct lack of crazy theories interjected here in the last week. The last being the absurb notion of planted light poles at the pentagon crash site and what have you. Mind control devices controlling the people who saw the plane hit the pentagon and the like. Before that was the equally as dumb Star wars beam theory.

You know, education is meant to make you smarter. I dont understand how that is with Jones, Fetzer and Wood.

Its also pretty sad seeing people trying to be such scientific scholars without a clue in the world. These people I seriously dislike.
 
~enigma~ said:
There is a guy on myspace who is hosting a petition to remove the 9/11 truth group. From my understanding this guy is a former subscriber to the group, isn't that what would be condisered infighting? Then again, what about the Fetzer, Jones and Wood love triangle?
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Is he removing it because of infighting (disagrees with current flavour of the month theories etc) or he actually realised the intellectual void the overall 9/11 CT actually is?
 
Just take a look at their Lounge to see how "hot" their
secret exposure issues about the evil inside job are :

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showforum=6
Mom Cooks Baby In Microwave (???)
Who Are Some Of The The Fasicts Corps. Of The Nwo (LTW?)
Misconceptions About Islam! (Pages 1 2 ) (Whaddayamean - Islam?)
What Have You Done For The Movement? (:blush:)
John Conner Makes News In Iran (Drama Queen)
Fundie Jews & The Promised Land (Da Jooos - see: Who are facists/NWO)
Fast Food Nation (and it´s a cover up?)
Re-instating The Military Draft (Pages 1 2 ) (Asking in a 9/11CT-Lounge?)
Anybody Wanna Do This? (I´m too fearful)
Is Anyone Worried? (Yes, about the dying troofment)
What Would The Bush Admin Gain From Invading Iraq? (No reelection?)
Still Not A Civil War? (You tell me: Fetzer vs the Jones)
Nypd & Nyfd Threatned? (Ask Roxdog)
Hows Your Luck Then (Is it interesting?)
Need More Votes On This! (Killtown needs support for photofake-poll)
I'm Doing A Speech On 9/11! (Please YouTube it for some laughs)
Jesus And New World Order - Must See (No, must laugh.)
911 Truth Elements In Casino Royal (And nobody remembers afterwards)
U.s. Income Tax (Pages 1 2 3 ) (snore)
All Conspiracies In The World! (Pages 1 2 ) (especially american ones)
Cops On Steroids (CT´s on drugs)
America: Freedom To Fascism Vs. Loose Change (Thank you, Aaron, Fetzer...)
Has Anyone Read The Commision Report? (LOL?)
Check This Out (Nope, but the next thread with same header)
Question (There it is)
'wicked' (musical prequel to the Wizard of Oz)
Google (How to block our research-engine? Seriously?)
South Park Episode On 9/11! (Ever .... ever.)
 
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hellaeon said:
Is he removing it because of infighting (disagrees with current flavour of the month theories etc) or he actually realised the intellectual void the overall 9/11 CT actually is?
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From what I hear he is an ex-truther yet remained a somewhat active member until he was banned for showing anti ct evidence so I would say he found 9/11 CT's to be devoid of any intellect.
 
Thats the Truth Movement's way of debating. If someone presents anti ct evidence in a debate, they may get banned from their site or be on the receiving end of harsh remarks.
 
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