Split Thread Is the Jan 6th committee too partisan?

[Stacyhs]

Yes. What people believe is more important than what is actually true. I don't think that is even debatable. This is very clear when it comes to claims of election fraud, obviously.

It's not more 'important', unfortunately it's true that what people believe affects their behavior more than what is true.

 

[acbytesla]

Yes. What people believe is more important than what is actually true. I don't think that is even debatable. This is very clear when it comes to claims of election fraud, obviously.

No wonder you're a Trump supporter.

Actually, it's quite debatable. Truth is of the utmost importance. But if your only consideration is your own self interest deception can be effective. Trump taught the US that.

 

[Warp12]

No wonder you're a Trump supporter.

Actually, it's quite debatable. Truth is of the utmost importance. But if your only consideration is your own self interest deception can be effective. Trump taught the US that.

Lying, manipulation, and politics go hand-in-hand. Always have.

And, I'm not a Trump supporter.

 

[slyjoe]

Lying, manipulation, and politics go hand-in-hand. Always have.

And, I'm not a Trump supporter.

Right.

If a defendant believes he is innocent, does that have any bearing on the outcome of a trial? No?

Then you might want to rethink "what you believe is more important than truth".

 

[Stacyhs]

Lying, manipulation, and politics go hand-in-hand. Always have.

And, I'm not a Trump supporter.

 

[Warp12]

Right.

If a defendant believes he is innocent, does that have any bearing on the outcome of a trial? No?

Then you might want to rethink "what you believe is more important than truth".

The truth isn't what got people to storm the Capitol. And it isn't what might get tens of millions to vote for Trump in 2024.

Keep your truth. Political success hinges more upon belief. That IS truth to believers.

 

[Stacyhs]

The truth isn't what got people to storm the Capitol. And it isn't what might get tens of millions to vote for Trump in 2024.

Keep your truth. Political success hinges more upon belief. That IS truth to believers.

Has hell frozen over? Is it a blue moon? Are pigs flying? We actually agree on that.

 

[smartcooky]

The above is total fantasy. Seems like you haven't been following very closely.

But, whatever. Unsurprising.

Another dodge!


I'll ask again, tell us exactly, in detail, why you think having more Democrats than Republicans on this committee is a problem?

 

[johnny karate]

Well, that is one way to be noncommittal about the partisanship issue, I guess.

Quite frankly I am bored of the debate as well. The group can't even agree on why I am wrong, they just know I am...except for those who say it is partisan, but must qualify that it is the fault of republicans. It isn't even as though I have accused the committee of any wrongdoing.

We've established that the investigation isn't unfair and those carrying it out haven't committed any wrongdoing.

So what's the problem with the investigation?

 

[JCL]

Well, that is one way to be noncommittal about the partisanship issue, I guess.



Quite frankly I am bored of the debate as well. The group can't even agree on why I am wrong, they just know I am...except for those who say it is partisan, but must qualify that it is the fault of republicans. It isn't even as though I have accused the committee of any wrongdoing.

Yawn...

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[TofuFighter]

The truth isn't what got people to storm the Capitol. And it isn't what might get tens of millions to vote for Trump in 2024.

Keep your truth. Political success hinges more upon belief. That IS truth to believers.

Then for the purpose of political success, the current hearings may have no effect. After all, trump supporters will just say to themselves and each other 'highly partisan', and in that way, in their own minds, discredit any evidence of his culpability that might emerge, allowing such evidence to be more easily disregarded.

Whatever the case, the fact that there are investigations and that the evidence, whatever it is, will be on record is important, whether it has any impact on the 2022/2024 elections or not.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Two outcasts who clearly have an axe to grind. Come on.

is Bill Barr an outcast?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Lying, manipulation, and politics go hand-in-hand. Always have.

And, I'm not a Trump supporter.

Yes but the Lies were so dumb this time, I worry the Human race will go extinct from its own Stupidity.

 

[Crossbow]

split from http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=353105

Posted By: jimbob

I don't know the full details of those. But, from what has been portrayed here, they seem to have been very partisan. That would not mean that they should serve as a measure, or standard, though.

I would say that the answer to your question is 'No. The January 6 Commission is not being too partisan.'.

While it is true that the January 6 Commission is not adequately staffed with Republicans, however I do not expect that the January 6 Commission is being too partisan either.

In this case, I was hoping that most of the the congressional Republicans would have taken the events of January 6 so seriously, that they would have at least temporarily tried to uphold their oath of office by being actual participants in the January 6 Commission.

However, as usual, the Republicans just bowed and scraped to Trump in order to garner his favor while throwing their own nation out of the window in the process.

Therefore, as so often has been seen since the days of Nixion, after a terrible Republican becomes the President, then the Democrats have to clean up the total mess that he left behind.

In this case, since the Republicans would rather be Trump-toadies instead of serious leaders, then there are not enough Republicans on the January 6 Commission to provide findings that both Democrats and Republicans will support.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Again, since we're now being force to "civil debate this" instead of treating it like the troll question it is, is no, anymore so than the Nuremberg Trials were biased for not having enough Nazis on them.

 

[Warp12]

Pelosi’s Court: How the Jan. 6 committee undermined its own legitimacy
https://thehill.com/opinion/judicia...an-6-committee-undermined-its-own-legitimacy/

In 1924, Lord Gordon Hewart famously declared, “Justice should not only be done, but should manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done.” The lord chief justice of England, he believed that even a small allegation of possible bias by a court clerk meant justice was not seen to be done and, thus, was not done.

Lord Hewart’s quote came to mind while watching the opening night of the House’s Jan. 6 select committee public hearings. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) decided a year ago to break from tradition and blocked two Republican committee members selected by GOP leaders. In response, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) pulled his other committee nominees, and Pelosi then seated two staunchly anti-Trump Republicans — Reps. Liz Cheney (Wyoming) and Adam Kinzinger (Illinois).

The new footage shown by the committee only magnified the revulsion many of us felt in watching this desecration of our Capitol and our constitutional process. However, such one-sided accounts rob these proceedings of a sense of authenticity and authority.

And some people pretend that it is an outlandish observation, that the committee is partisan. Just admit it, and stand steady on your belief in the results. That is a lot more credible, imo.

 

[Crossbow]

Again, since we're now being force to "civil debate this" instead of treating it like the troll question it is, is no, anymore so than the Nuremberg Trials were biased for not having enough Nazis on them.

Thanks much!

Your statement is both well said and quite true.

 

[Warp12]

I would say that the answer to your question is 'No. The January 6 Commission is not being too partisan.'.

While it is true that the January 6 Commission is not adequately staffed with Republicans, however I do not expect that the January 6 Commission is being too partisan either.

The thing is, I never made a claim that it was being "too partisan". That is what the mod came up with for a title. I only observed that it has a highly partisan make up. I have said repeatedly, we should let the results speak for themselves.

 

[Crossbow]

The thing is, I never made a claim that it was being "too partisan". That is what the mod came up with for a title. I only observed that it has a highly partisan make up. I have said repeatedly, we should let the results speak for themselves.

Thanks much for the clarification.

However, if the Republicans actually wanted to be seated on the January 6 Commission, then they could have easily done so.

 

[JoeMorgue]

The thing is, I never made a claim that it was being "too partisan". That is what the mod came up with for a title. I only observed that it has a highly partisan make up. I have said repeatedly, we should let the results speak for themselves.

Yeah and then you just mushmouthed about why you bothered to bring it up in the first place and now we have to pretend that you didn't just "Just asking questions" well poison the thread.