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Is The End Nigh?

Earthborn said:
Poland was not part of the Soviet Union.
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Eastern Poland was annexed into the Soviet Union. I would have to research to know the exact way Polish boundaries were rearranged, but I'm cooking a turkey. Between taking land and occupation of the rest, that would be enough to say "Poland was part of the Soviet Union", unless you want to have a pissing match over semantics.

ETA: Not to mention Polands government was an extension of the Kremlin for decades after.
 
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Tailgater said:
Between taking land and occupation of the rest, that would be enough to say "Poland was part of the Soviet Union"
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It would be enough to say that "a part of what was once Poland was once part of the Soviet Union." But this is irrelevant as we are talking about the time of the break up of the Soviet Union. What was then at that time officially Poland was not officially part of the Soviet Union, and therefore whatever the attitudes of the people were in what was officially Poland had very little to do with the break up of what was officially the Soviet Union.

Using Poland as an example in a discussion about why the Soviet Union broke up is quite silly. If Alaska or Texas ever seceded it would be like dragging Canada into a discussion.
 
Earthborn said:
It would be enough to say that "a part of what was once Poland was once part of the Soviet Union." But this is irrelevant as we are talking about the time of the break up of the Soviet Union. What was then at that time officially Poland was not officially part of the Soviet Union, and therefore whatever the attitudes of the people were in what was officially Poland had very little to do with the break up of what was officially the Soviet Union.

Using Poland as an example in a discussion about why the Soviet Union broke up is quite silly. If Alaska or Texas ever seceded it would be like dragging Canada into a discussion.
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No. Canada is not a satellite country to the US, with a US puppet government in place, nor does the US military enforce what type of government exists there. If you want to be technical about it, ok, I totally understand what you are saying, but a comparison to any country around the US is different.

People are not trying to get out of the US sphere of influence. That is the whole point. People wanted out of the Soviet/Communist sphere of influence and that included those countries, but not just because of economic reasons. Jane is also saying.....

We do not know if the US will hold together. For those of us tired of US bullying it is refreshing to picture the empire's demise. Empires have broken up before.
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...so she is speaking of the decline of any sphere of influence as well as a country divided. There was no tighter, sustained sphere of control over other countries that I could think of in the last century, then the Soviet Union and satellites within it's control.

They were part of the Soviet Union, but not part of the Soviet Union. :)
I understand what you are saying, but I don't need to dissect it that far.
 
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