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Is Piyush "Bobby" Jindal a Hindu nationalist?

How many jobs will monitoring volcanoes generate? This was to an economic stimulus bill remember?
Relative to the amount spent, I believe it is cost effective in jobs returned.

At a minimum, equipment is ordered, manufactured, delivered, it's placed and people monitor and maintain the equipment.
 
234 seismograph and data transmission equipment manufacturing jobs
35 helicopter piloting jobs
18 helicopter mechanic jobs
432 data analysis jobs
24 evacuation planning jobs
1 statistics manufacturing job - and I want it.
I was going to add, costs saved by averted disaster, also.
 
How many jobs will monitoring volcanoes generate? This was to an economic stimulus bill remember?

Well, had Jindal made that particular point, we'd be having a different conversation.

But he didn't make that point. He acted like he didn't know what "volcano monitoring" meant, and used it as an example of wasteful spending. "Instead of monitoring volcanoes," he said, "what Congress should be monitoring is the eruption of spending in Washington."

So he doesn't know what "volcano monitoring" means, but he's sure that it's a waste of money.

That makes him an idiot for at least two reasons: #1, not figuring out what "volcano monitoring" means, and #2, thinking that this was a good example to use. (I could think of many more reasons it makes him an idiot, such as the way he shot his political career in the foot, but I don't want to get sidetracked.)

Had he said something like, "Monitoring volcanoes might be a good idea, but it doesn't belong in an economic stimulus bill," he might have a point. But that's simply not what happened.


This reminds of during the campaign, when John McCain repeatedly mentioned the funding of a "$3 million overhead projector" (his words) as an example of wasteful government spending. Well, that "overhead projector" was a specialized piece of educational equipment that really did cost several million dollars.

He could have chosen any one of a number of different funding initiatives, but he went for the "overhead projector." At first, it might have been simply a mistake on the part of his campaign, but he repeated it during at least two debates, and at multiple campaign stops. At that point, it became obvious that the McCain campaign was intentionally using the phrase "overhead projector" to give a dishonest, inaccurate impression of what was actually being funded.

And the JREF Republicans leapt to his defense. "Why is it the government's job to fund that?" they asked. Well, had McCain made that point, we would've been having a different conversation.

But he didn't make that point. Instead, he opted for the dishonest route, to try and make the project seem like a several-million-dollar investment in a $50 piece of office equipment. That was what infuriated scientists like Phil Plait, as well as many members of this forum.

As a result, McCain looked like an idiot, and probably lost quite a number of votes as a result.


Look, I appreciate the desire to stick up for the guy on your "team." We all do it, to one extent or another. We all occasionally overlook flaws in our friends, family, people we admire, and organizations or movements that we support. (It's not limited to politics; a friend of some of the local skeptics here is a proud fan of the Cincinatti Bengals. Now, you talk about overlooking flaws...)

But there are times when someone says something really stupid, and as much as you'd like to pretend he was saying something different, the reality is, what he said was still stupid.

You can't put lipstick on a pig* and expect it to be anything but a pig. You can pretend it was "out of context" or that he was trying to make the case that it didn't belong in a stimulus bill, but no matter how you twist it, that's not what happened. Jindal tried to make the case that "something called volcano monitoring" was a frivolous waste of federal funds.

And that makes him an idiot no matter who's team he's on. More than that, it makes the people who read and approved his speech idiots, too.


(* Sorry, couldn't resist.)
 
Not to mention Sarah Palin and the fruit flies.


The apotheosis of know-nothingness. This is the emblem of the transformation of John McCain from centrist icon to Republican presidential jokebag candidate.
 
Relative to the amount spent, I believe it is cost effective in jobs returned.

At a minimum, equipment is ordered, manufactured, delivered, it's placed and people monitor and maintain the equipment.
The amount to be spent is 150 million dollars on TOP of the 991 million dollar budget allocated for USGS activities. I haven's seen Obama's new budget details but he could have put the 150 million into the regular appropriations budget for the USGS.
 
You understand that I made those numbers up, right?
You got that didn't you?

So did Jindal apparantly.

http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/702875.html

Jindal appears to have exaggerated by tenfold the $140 million he said was destined for the nation's volcano observatories.

Nearly all of that amount -- included in the stimulus bill for funding U.S. Geological Survey projects -- will go to other USGS functions nationwide, such as repairing facilities and mapping, said John Eichelberger, who heads the agency's Volcano Hazards Program in Reston, Va.

Only about $14 million will be spent on "monitoring volcanoes," mostly in Alaska, he said.
 
Isn't "spending" still spending? Wouldn't the only way the stimulus money could not create jobs is if they just decided to bury it somewhere and then stiffed the people who buried it?
 
What difference does it make?
It probably doesn't make any difference other than its inclusion in a bill that is supposedly being sold to stimulate the economy. As it stands now no one knows what the hell the stimulus bill is supposed to accomplish. He just put out his budget plan that is as large as the stimulus plan and it only covers 3 months. His treasury secretary is now in hiding and the financial markets in the US go down with every speech Obama makes. One day he wants to stimulate and then on the same day he states he is going to raise taxes. He needs to shut up for a while because he is not helping. Hell the European markets went up 2% yesterday while ours lost 2%.
 
And that makes him an idiot no matter who's team he's on. More than that, it makes the people who read and approved his speech idiots, too.

Maybe it says something about the people who wrote his speech. There exists the possibility that he did not write it, and that it was just an all-purpose template that the GOP spinmeisters put together ahead of time, tweaked a bit, and handed to their latest Chauncey Gardner to read to the public as though he were capable of such original thought.
 
But he didn't make that point. He acted like he didn't know what "volcano monitoring" meant, and used it as an example of wasteful spending. "Instead of monitoring volcanoes," he said, "what Congress should be monitoring is the eruption of spending in Washington."

So he doesn't know what "volcano monitoring" means, but he's sure that it's a waste of money.

That makes him an idiot for at least two reasons: #1, not figuring out what "volcano monitoring" means, and #2, thinking that this was a good example to use. (I could think of many more reasons it makes him an idiot, such as the way he shot his political career in the foot, but I don't want to get sidetracked.)

Had he said something like, "Monitoring volcanoes might be a good idea, but it doesn't belong in an economic stimulus bill," he might have a point. But that's simply not what happened.

Points well made but totally waisted, because these comments aren't made for thinking people. It's simply red meat for the republican constituancy who thinks that spending dollar one is a total waist on volcano monitoring because all that stuff will either happen after rapture or are surely signs there of and baby jeebus will tell them ala haggard, robertson or the latest closet homosexual, child molesting, druggie preacher de jour.
 
The apotheosis of know-nothingness. This is the emblem of the transformation of John McCain from centrist icon to Republican presidential jokebag candidate.
That's why I kept saying that I had respected McCain untill he bent for Bush in 2000 and stayed bent through 2008. He didn't go down for the VC, but he did for a slime who gave lip service only to the Military.
 
I am strongly in favor of the US Government reaearching Volcanoes, for the same reason I support them researching Hurricanes, but let's not use a bad argument for a good end by pretending it is going to be a great stimulus to the economy.
 

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