Is Obama planning to attack Saudi Arabia?

[Anders Lindman]

Has the western propaganda war against Saudi Arabia already started?

"U.S. adds Saudi bombmaker to terrorism blacklist

(Reuters) - The United States on Thursday added a Saudi bombmaker who is a key suspect in the 2010 al Qaeda parcel bomb plot against the United States to its official terrorism blacklist."

More: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...1X20110324?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

 

[Anders Lindman]

I found this interesting post on a Muslim forum:

"France threatens to bomb Saudi Arabia by Libya's example

French Foreign Minister Juppe Allen at a press conference on Thursday actually threatened with aerial bombardments of Saudi Arabia and Syria.

He said that events in Libya and the intervention of the Western alliance should become an example for Saudi Arabia, Syria and other countries, said in a blog of Al Jazeera."

Entire post: http://www.sydneymuslimyouth.com/smyforum/showthread.php?p=96248

A similar thought struck me some day ago, that France is pushing on aggressively in Libya, and that it can spread to other countries, but I didn't think France would go into Saudi Arabia. I will do some web searches to see if the French foreign minister really has said the things mentioned in the above post.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Whoa! It seems that the French foreign minister (his name is Alain Juppé, not Juppe Allen as the post above said) really said something like that.

"Alain Juppe also said he hoped the campaign in Libya sends warning to autocratic regimes in other places, including Syria and Saudi Arabia." -- http://www.groundreport.com/World/NATO-s-Libya-operation-plan-Finalized/2937303

"Juppe puts Syria, Saudi Arabia on notice ... Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said on Thursday that the precedent set in Libya should not go unnoticed by autocratic regimes elsewhere, including the ones in Syria and Saudi Arabia." -- http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-international/article1569600.ece

"Juppe said Arab leaders needed to understand that the tide of protests sweeping the region would change things for good and that all countries, including Saudi Arabia, needed to take into account the aspirations of the Arab people.

"The process going on in the Arab world is irreversible. People's aspirations must be taken into consideration everywhere, including in Saudi Arabia," he said." -- http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72N0PD20110324

 

[Anders Lindman]

More anti-Saudi Arabia propaganda?

"While relations between Islam’s two largest sects are generally good in most Islamic countries, Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabi doctrine contains a “virulent hatred” for Shiites." -- http://frontpagemag.com/2011/03/25/bahrain-an-iranian-thorn-in-saudi-arabia’s-side/

Of course, I'm cherry picking a bit, yet still.

 

[Craig4]

So, have you found anyone's forces disposed to invade?

 

[Anders Lindman]

So, have you found anyone's forces disposed to invade?

I think the U.S. and EU countries want to secure the oil resources and production in Libya and other countries, maybe even in Saudi Arabia. And the way to do that is by military means (just look at Libya at the moment).

 

[Craig4]

I think the U.S. and EU countries want to secure the oil resources and production in Libya and other countries, maybe even in Saudi Arabia. And the way to do that is by military means (just look at Libya at the moment).

Yes but we've already established that your view is of no importance and ill informed.

 

[Anders Lindman]

"Medvedev tells Saudi Arabia of regional unrest concern

* Russia world's top oil producer, Saudia Arabia second

* Signs of unrest among Saudi Shi'ites

MOSCOW, March 25 (Reuters) - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev told Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal Russia was concerned over tensions in the Middle East and North Africa, the Kremlin said on Friday.
...
Saudi Arabia, the second largest producer, has seen unrest rise, especially among its Shi'ite population as protests have rocked the Arab world in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen and Bahrain this year."

Full story: http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFLDE72O22Y20110325

 

[Anders Lindman]

To bring some balance and not be so totally biased, here is an article about Saudi Arabia not being likely to be "the next domino to fall":

"Saudi Arabia: More Secure Than It Appears
...
The specter of regime change in Saudi Arabia, which could result in radicalized Islamists taking control of the world's second largest oil producer, is a justifiably harrowing prospect. However, Saudi Arabia's political dynamics are very different from the Middle Eastern states that are in revolt. Understanding these forces should assure us that Saudi Arabia is not likely to be the next domino to fall. "

More: http://news.goldseek.com/JohnBrowne/1301064439.php

 

[fess]

" Russia world's top oil producer, Saudia Arabia second

You are partially correct; however, if you had spent a few minutes to do some research, you would have found that Saudi Arabia could out produce Russia any time they set their mind to it. Unless, of course, you intended to omit that bit of information.

2. Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia produces only very slightly less than Russia with approximately 10.121 million barrels per day - 12% of the total world production of oil. Saudi Arabia has the world's largest proven reserves of oil, with approximately 265 billion barrels, or about 20% of the worlds proven oil reserves. This allows Saudi Arabia to increase and decrease its level of oil production depending on market conditions. Saudi Arabia was the largest oil producer as recently as 2008.

 

[Anders Lindman]

You are partially correct; however, if you had spent a few minutes to do some research, you would have found that Saudi Arabia could out produce Russia any time they set their mind to it. Unless, of course, you intended to omit that bit of information.

2. Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia produces only very slightly less than Russia with approximately 10.121 million barrels per day - 12% of the total world production of oil. Saudi Arabia has the world's largest proven reserves of oil, with approximately 265 billion barrels, or about 20% of the worlds proven oil reserves. This allows Saudi Arabia to increase and decrease its level of oil production depending on market conditions. Saudi Arabia was the largest oil producer as recently as 2008.

It's not my statement. It's from the article. However, I have researched peak oil for some time, and many experts say that Saudi Arabia have been presenting overblown figures for their proven reserves. See for example: http://www.livetradingnews.com/saudi-arabia-oil-reserves-and-peak-oil-37536.htm

 

[Anders Lindman]

"Can Saudi Arabia boost oil output in times of tight supply?

With recent unrest sweeping the Middle East and Northern Africa, oil supply concerns are a big factor pushing prices higher, and one possible solution to capping prices has been raised that Saudi Arabia, OPEC’s leading oil exporter should lift oil output quotas to balance any shortfall in oil supply. But is this a real possibility, or just small talk?"

Russia has steadily been increasing their oil production the recent years: http://www.liveoilprices.co.uk/oil/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Russian-Crude-Oil-Output-to-2010.jpg

While Saudi Arabia had the stated goal to produce 12.5 million barrels per day by 2009, while in reality only producing 9.7 million barrels per day in 2009: http://www.liveoilprices.co.uk/oil/.../03/Saudi-Arabia-Crude-Oil-Output-to-2010.jpg

From: http://www.liveoilprices.co.uk/oil/...oost-oil-output-in-times-of-tight-supply.html

 

[fess]

It's not my statement. It's from the article. However, I have researched peak oil for some time, and many experts say that Saudi Arabia have been presenting overblown figures for their proven reserves. See for example: http://www.livetradingnews.com/saudi-arabia-oil-reserves-and-peak-oil-37536.htm

I have seen estimates of the Saudi oil reserves being anywhere from 260 to 276 billion barrels, but your article says that the estimate is off by 300 billion barrels. I am not a math major, but something is definitely wrong with those figures.

 

[Anders Lindman]

I have seen estimates of the Saudi oil reserves being anywhere from 260 to 276 billion barrels, but your article says that the estimate is off by 300 billion barrels. I am not a math major, but something is definitely wrong with those figures.

The article says: “He believes that Aramco’s reserves are overstated by as much as 300 billion barrels of ’speculative resources.’

Maybe he meant that the 300 (or 267 as Wikipedia says) billions of barrels of proven reserves are all speculative estimations, not that they are completely gone, which I agree would be strange.

 

[Craig4]

None of which supports the idea of an invasion.

 

[fess]

None of which supports the idea of an invasion.

Thank you.

 

[Anders Lindman]

"Saudi Arabia: Arrests for Peaceful Protest on the Rise

(New York) - Saudi Arabia should immediately release protesters and critics arrested and detained without charge over the past weeks, Human Rights Watch said today. More than 100 people have been arrested in the Qatif district, and about 45 in the al-Ahsa' district, both Shia population centers in the kingdom's Eastern Province. A smaller number of people have been arrested in Riyadh and Qasim governorates.

The arrests violate the rights to peaceful expression and assembly, Human Rights Watch said."

Full story: http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/03/27/saudi-arabia-arrests-peaceful-protest-rise

 

[Craig4]

"Saudi Arabia: Arrests for Peaceful Protest on the Rise

(New York) - Saudi Arabia should immediately release protesters and critics arrested and detained without charge over the past weeks, Human Rights Watch said today. More than 100 people have been arrested in the Qatif district, and about 45 in the al-Ahsa' district, both Shia population centers in the kingdom's Eastern Province. A smaller number of people have been arrested in Riyadh and Qasim governorates.

The arrests violate the rights to peaceful expression and assembly, Human Rights Watch said."

Full story: http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/03/27/saudi-arabia-arrests-peaceful-protest-rise

And still no forces deploying to invade.

 

[Anders Lindman]

And still no forces deploying to invade.

I was thinking that a UN resolution will be made if the situation in Saudi Arabia turns into something like in Libya. Maybe the risk for that is slim plus China may wield their veto against such resolution.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Saudi Arabia is a rich country with lots of security forces. They can probably keep protesters in line. What western conspirators may do is to create terrorist troubles in Saudi Arabia. It's difficult to protect a nation against acts of terrorism. And so they can fuel a lot of terrorism in Saudi Arabia so that the UN will create a resolution to deal with that problem using an international military force.