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Is It Possible There Is An Afterlife?

Paulhoff,

Do you think there is any possibility that at some time in the future we will develop the technology to simulate a reality so well that from the perceptions of an individual they could not tell they were in a virtual reality?
 
Oppressed said:
Paulhoff,

Do you think there is any possibility that at some time in the future we will develop the technology to simulate a reality so well that from the perceptions of an individual they could not tell they were in a virtual reality?
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What do you mean, there are people that are like that all ready.

Paul

:) :) :)

I writing to one on this thread, and there are more on this forum.
 
Paulhoff said:
What do you mean, there are people that are like that all ready.

Paul

:) :) :)

I writing to one on this thread, and there are more on this forum.
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Paulhoff,

I’m sorry, but your answer does not appear to fit the question?

The question is not whether someone else believes they are living in a virtual reality.

The question is whether or not you believe that at any time in the future we have any possibility of developing the technology that would allow creating such a virtual reality?
 
Oppressed said:
Paulhoff,

I’m sorry, but your answer does not appear to fit the question?

The question is not whether someone else believes they are living in a virtual reality.

The question is whether or not you believe that at any time in the future we have any possibility of developing the technology that would allow creating such a virtual reality?
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JOKE

Paul

:) :) :)
 
Paulhoff said:
You just love to throw words together don't you. You make no sense at all. Common mind with life, oh please, stop you magical thinking, and you still haven't shown a need for a soul.
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So you say you can't (look in the two eyes) see that even while lifeforms are different, certain things bind them together? A soul (or whatever you want to call it) is needed to bind them together. No one has to teach a baby how to smile, or what a mean face looks like. And that applies to any type of baby.
The word soul came about due to that "put a name on the experience thing" that allows us to communicate.
 
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lightcreatedlife@hom said:
So you say you can't (look in the two eyes) see that even while lifeforms are different,
Well, when looking at trees the eyes are hard to find. That is just silly talk, and has no true meaning.

certain things bind them together?
Yea, it is call atomic bonds.

A soul (or whatever you want to call it) is needed to bind them together.
No, first you have to prove there is a soul, saying why you think there is one is not proof, and only goes to show how little you know.

No one has to teach a baby how to smile, or what a mean face looks like. And that applies to any type of baby.
It's in the genes my friend, a tree doesn't smile and can't look at a face, it doesn't have the genes.

The word soul came about due to that "put a name on the experience thing" that allows put to communicate.
No it came about because people didn't know about how the brain and/or the body work thousands of years ago, we know about these things now, well at least some of us do.
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You should do some real reading, science text on the body and brain would be a good place to start, it will take you a while because you seem not to know very much about them. You have shown me that you don't have a good understanding of the body and brain because you have come up with some things that you think make sense, but you are way off base. We are no longer in the bronze age, please update you information.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
Do you believe that at any time in the future that there is some possibility that the technology will be developed that will allow one person to be submerged into a virtual reality that is so real they would not be able to tell it was virtual?

The length of time to develop the technology is irrelevant to this question, so whether or not the technology could be developed in 100 years, 100 million years or some other time period does not matter, just that sooner or later the technology might be developed.

The level of probability of the technology being developed is also irrelevant, so long as it is measurably possible, so whether it is 99% probable, 2% possible, 0.000001% possible or some other statistical value which has some chance of actually occurring, it does not matter. The only point is that there is some possibility such technology could be developed.
 
Oppressed said:
Do you believe that at any time in the future that there is some possibility that the technology will be developed that will allow one person to be submerged into a virtual reality that is so real they would not be able to tell it was virtual?

The length of time to develop the technology is irrelevant to this question, so whether or not the technology could be developed in 100 years, 100 million years or some other time period does not matter, just that sooner or later the technology might be developed.

The level of probability of the technology being developed is also irrelevant, so long as it is measurably possible, so whether it is 99% probable, 2% possible, 0.000001% possible or some other statistical value which has some chance of actually occurring, it does not matter. The only point is that there is some possibility such technology could be developed.
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And if I said yes, then what. I have no idea if it can be done and for what reason.

Paul

:) :) :)

Most times when someone asked a question like that, there is more behind it. I don't know you.
 
lightcreatedlife@hom said:
So you say you can't (look in the two eyes) see that even while lifeforms are different, certain things bind them together? A soul (or whatever you want to call it) is needed to bind them together. No one has to teach a baby how to smile, or what a mean face looks like. And that applies to any type of baby.
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All living things are bound together by a common genetic heritage.

Except for babies with brain disorders, like autism. Many children with autism have difficulty interpreting signals the rest of us find fundamental.
 
lightcreatedlife@hom said:
So you say you can't (look in the two eyes) see that even while lifeforms are different, certain things bind them together? A soul (or whatever you want to call it) is needed to bind them together. No one has to teach a baby how to smile, or what a mean face looks like. And that applies to any type of baby.
The word soul came about due to that "put a name on the experience thing" that allows us to communicate.
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If we pretend this stuff is real, even in metaphysical terms it is fallacious to call a soul a soul, and here you are struggling to come up with a rational answer to subjective experience is like the samething as trying to answer when the begginging and end of time occurs, and if god existed and created everything who created god?

Honestly imo it's stupid and retarded to even try and answer questions you simply can't answer.

Even Skeptics generally agree upon the futility in attempting to rationalize things you simply can't rationalize. In the end there is no answer, and that time could have been put to better use like enjoying a day out on the beach or something.
 
Paulhoff,

There are many things which one can philosophize about that are unlikely to be true or even known to be untrue and yet some things can be gained by the logical process involved.

One point would be the acknowledgement that if you think it is possible, however unlikely, then it is also possible that you are in such a virtual reality simulation and don’t know it.

One immediate logical conclusion over this possibility would be that if it were so important that you were unable to prove you were in a virtual reality then you should proceed with your life as if it were real. So regardless of whether or not you were actually living in a virtual reality you should live your life as if you not in a virtual reality.

That still leaves some philosophizing about the possibility which can have benefit.

One is showing as an example a more logical possibility than that offered by some religion full of logical inconsistencies.

Another is to consider how we might deal with the moral and social issues we might face if or when we develop the technology to create such virtual realities.

Yet another can give a hope for an afterlife for those who are not emotionally able to deal with the fact that the death of a person is the total and final end of that person’s existence.

Still yet another can be to provide a good goal and purpose for living. I like this one. I can pull from it a reason that makes every single person’s life very important and worthwhile to live, regardless of how insignificant or difficult that life may be. This reason is not only good for the possibility of our existing in a virtual reality, but it is also a good reason is we are in a primal mundane reality (which is the most likely truth).

This purpose comes from thinking about a race of virtually immortal beings that live in a very advanced society which we would consider like heaven. I can logically make conclusions that such an advanced race would use full submersion virtual realities for many reasons, including not only entertainment but as a method to develop character, learn and maintain their mental health.

Perhaps such will not happen, but it might.

If it did, then the virtual immortals would enter a virtual reality like a deep dream where their consciousness in the virtual world would only be aware of that virtual life. Thus, they would feel like they were born into a new world and could experience the newness of growing from a child into adulthood and living a mortal life until they died.

You might think that a life like we have would not be one a virtual immortal in such an advanced society would choose to live. But, that would be wrong. There are some who would choose to experience such a virtual experience. There are many examples of this already in books, movies and role playing games where some people choose to try and do something as gritty and realistic as possible.

The goal and purpose of life that an individual can gain out of this is the following.

In such a virtual reality, your purpose would be to take whatever the circumstances of life that you have and make the best of your life. This is not trivial but a deliberately chosen experience by your true self.

So, if you are a 45 year small fat woman who dropped out of high school, has really bad eyesight, epilepsy, diabetes and lives on welfare because you can’t seem to maintain a job, your life is in fact very important. This is a life experience your true self choose to live and your purpose in life is to take the circumstances of your life and make the best of it. Be the best you that you can be.

If you fail to achieve this, it is your true self that you are failing.

If you are a blind person, crippled person or simply an average person of no real consequence to the World as a whole, your life is still extremely important. The most important goal is likely to NOT be winning a war or being a hero, but instead the most important goal is likely to be how do you live your life and what kind of a person are you.

There is no requirement to believe in any God or worship anyone or pay anyone a tithing.

It may involve doing great things for others, but it may just as likely involve how you conduct yourself in your personal life in the small social circle around you.

And, even if we are not part of a virtual reality, this purpose of life is still a good one. Since we are most likely living a primal real and mundane life, I like the fact that I can make such a purpose of life fit both the mundane probability while also fitting a fun fanciful improbable possibility.
 
Like I said, and I nailed it on the head, there is more behind the question, so please don't underestimate me. I will read you post later, but I do not think I will read anything that I have read and/or thought of before.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
lolurigeller said:
If we pretend this stuff is real, even in metaphysical terms it is fallacious to call a soul a soul, and here you are struggling to come up with a rational answer to subjective experience is like the samething as trying to answer when the begginging and end of time occurs, and if god existed and created everything who created god?

Honestly imo it's stupid and retarded to even try and answer questions you simply can't answer.

Even Skeptics generally agree upon the futility in attempting to rationalize things you simply can't rationalize. In the end there is no answer, and that time could have been put to better use like enjoying a day out on the beach or something.
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The word has been here, and will continue to be debated, that is where I will spend my time-even while on the beach.
 
Paulhoff said:
You should do some real reading, science text on the body and brain would be a good place to start, it will take you a while because you seem not to know very much about them. You have shown me that you don't have a good understanding of the body and brain because you have come up with some things that you think make sense, but you are way off base. We are no longer in the bronze age, please update you information.
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I talk about "eyes" you pick something without eyes. The connections that life shares is more visible when looking at other high forms of life. The experience started before the brain, before the body, and before life.
 
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