Thoth108 is in silent contemplation...
Here's my two-cents concerning this topic:
There is an afterlife. I believe we eternally recycle our spiritual selfs into new bodies of every sort from animal, to vegetable, and even mineral. (The memory of your soul is where "instinct" arises from in your thoughts) Currently the human race is in a period of our evolution where God(not the Christian version of God
) is hiding parts of reality from us to limit our knowledge down to just some key elements. From this limited "perspective" we can learn some important lessons(paying no attention to the dimensions that don't concern these lessons, and would just get in the way). Once we are done learning the lessons then the need to hide things from us goes away, and we are granted sight into the other dimensions where the after-life takes place; the samsara of Tibetan buddhism; the dimension where the soul travels from one body to the next. It's spooky to see this dimension overlapping ours, and it's useful to turn off that sight if you don't need it. Shamanism taught me to see it, and now that I know what I'm looking for I have found that every culture around the world, and throughout history has given birth to people that also have seen the other dimensions, and wrote extensively about it. If you want scientific proof of the afterlife, or other dimensions where souls may travel separate from their respective bodies, then just look at the many occult books written around the globe, by cultures seperated by time and geography, who all describe the same out-of-body experiences. Shamans in South America teach identical methods for exploring the super-sensible worlds as those in Africa, Siberia, Japan, etc.... This should be a hint to those "scientists" that are studying the subject of afterlife to take the teachings of Shamans and occult scientists into effect, instead of assuming them to be quacks. If you want to study fish you'll eventually need to learn to swim (loose metaphor!), so if you want to study the "soul" you'll need to learn to "swim" in that other dimension in which the soul resides. (didn't the Greeks refer to Jesus as a "fish" ?? )
Namaste. - Peace to you all. All is well.
PS. Pauloff - I'm laughing my a$$ off about your tesseract avatar there, because you just don't seem the type to know/understand what the hypercube is, or means... Could you perhaps relate that interesting symbol to our discussion here? (it is quite relevant, if you didn't already know!) I'm no longer "in the box" !!!!
Never forget that Randi is a "celebrity" and all celebrities make their money pretty much the same way. He makes his by "proving" others wrong.
I'm interested. I know there is an "afterlife" and I'm really interested in showing what I know to be true to all these non-believers. It's a tough debate to prove, though, because all that would support the argument for an afterlife is hidden from us, while the reality we see is life/death as we know it currently. Perhaps our problem is what we are considering alive after we are dead; if our body dies, is that all there is to us? The soul is what lives on, but the soul isn't visible to us, even though it should be obvious that there is one. (Otherwise, whose driving this thing I call a body??)
It's ego. Many of these people make their living off of the education that they have, and they deeply fear a world that works someway other than their education suggests. Christians are the same way, basing their egotistic theories of reality on what they read(mis-read) in their Bible. I think the only useful "science" we may have for studying the afterlife is Theosophy/Theology. It is the philosophy of the religous thinkers of the world that is the real forum for the debate of spiritual issues like this. The spirit isn't something that can be captured in a lab (barring ofcourse, alchemy), so scientist don't believe in it. I believe in it because I've expanded my perspective through shaman-techniques for viewing other dimensions. The reality of reality is much different than science sees, and that's all there is to it. Quantum physics is catching up though!
Don't let the closed minded ones get you down. Fear is what causes us to block out possibities that we can't understand, or assimilate into our world view.
I'm not upset. I left for personal reasons mostly, but visit occasionally. There are many other forums where I post more honestly about my beliefs, since these science-types have a hard time accepting the "new" ideas that I bring up. Also, to me this argument is a little pointless. It doesn't matter if they believe, and most of the posters on JREF are just showing off their big-brains anyways. (Ego). BTW - Everything is a hallucination. We see a reflection of reality, but not the real thing.
In order for science to accept "proof" of an afterlife, i.e. a "soul," science will have to dig back into it's roots in alchemy. The soul can be seen, touched, and experienced, but not in the ways that contemporary humans are used to experiencing things. It is our skills at experiencing the reality around us that must change in order for us to know that there is a soul. How many of you science types are willing to change your perspective if it means really, really knowing that there is an afterlife?
Randi is interested in making money. That's all.
I spend my time with other Shamans, and occult scientists. To me it's a level up from this forum, which debates things that can be proven if the "scientists" performing the experiment are willing to admit: REALITY IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT TO BE. The reason that the "occult" exists is because of the ignorance of the masses; those who know the truth always have to keep their mouths shut, because while they may be right they will always be outnumbered by the ignorant.
Here's my two-cents concerning this topic:
There is an afterlife. I believe we eternally recycle our spiritual selfs into new bodies of every sort from animal, to vegetable, and even mineral. (The memory of your soul is where "instinct" arises from in your thoughts) Currently the human race is in a period of our evolution where God(not the Christian version of God
) is hiding parts of reality from us to limit our knowledge down to just some key elements. From this limited "perspective" we can learn some important lessons(paying no attention to the dimensions that don't concern these lessons, and would just get in the way). Once we are done learning the lessons then the need to hide things from us goes away, and we are granted sight into the other dimensions where the after-life takes place; the samsara of Tibetan buddhism; the dimension where the soul travels from one body to the next. It's spooky to see this dimension overlapping ours, and it's useful to turn off that sight if you don't need it. Shamanism taught me to see it, and now that I know what I'm looking for I have found that every culture around the world, and throughout history has given birth to people that also have seen the other dimensions, and wrote extensively about it. If you want scientific proof of the afterlife, or other dimensions where souls may travel separate from their respective bodies, then just look at the many occult books written around the globe, by cultures seperated by time and geography, who all describe the same out-of-body experiences. Shamans in South America teach identical methods for exploring the super-sensible worlds as those in Africa, Siberia, Japan, etc.... This should be a hint to those "scientists" that are studying the subject of afterlife to take the teachings of Shamans and occult scientists into effect, instead of assuming them to be quacks. If you want to study fish you'll eventually need to learn to swim (loose metaphor!), so if you want to study the "soul" you'll need to learn to "swim" in that other dimension in which the soul resides. (didn't the Greeks refer to Jesus as a "fish" ?? )Namaste. - Peace to you all. All is well.
PS. Pauloff - I'm laughing my a$$ off about your tesseract avatar there, because you just don't seem the type to know/understand what the hypercube is, or means... Could you perhaps relate that interesting symbol to our discussion here? (it is quite relevant, if you didn't already know!) I'm no longer "in the box" !!!!
