Is it fair to blame the TSA for Amsterdam's mistake?

[Tmy]

How much control do they have over foreign airport security anyway??? Everyone keeps forgeting that the undie-bomber didnt get on a domestic flight. If this was a NYC to Detriort flight, I doubt he wouldve made it on to the plane.

It is definately a lesson learned situation. We should have more explosive detection machines in the US airports.

 

[INRM]

Tmy,

The Netherlands is updating it's screening technology and procedures as I understand it...

 

[corplinx]

I have a great deal of apathy about the entire thing.

I thought Napolitano did the right thing when she said the system worked. I was disappointed when everyone started falling on their swords and pulling phony martyr lines.

Of course, they had to for political reasons.

 

[mbp]

If this was a NYC to Detriort flight, I doubt he wouldve made it on to the plane.

How, specifically, would it have been stopped?

I made it onto a plane in Miami International Airport carrying half a litre of liquid in a plastic bottle in my cabin luggage. That's not supposed to be possible, but no screening process handling so many people is ever going to be 100% secure.

 

[Peephole]

If only Americans would get as hysterical about real problems like say their health care problem or global warming, as they do about terrorism.

 

[Ludicrous Leprechaun]

Then again, the Netherlands has one of the largest of Muslim communities in Western Europe. Outdated screening equipment is no excuse, given this she/male bought a one way ticket, had no luggage and no coat, so as to prepare for the weather conditions that would have been awaiting him in Michigan.
I hope the authorities in Amsterdam conduct an investigation on everyone associated with boarding of Flight 253. The world is aware of what transpired on 911. Especially, airport personnel. This guy showed all signs of making a one way trip, never intending to disembark. (No luggage and no coat to withstand December Michigan weather?!)
Someone could very well have let him on board that flight. In any case, such negligence should at the very least result in everyone involved with the screening, losing their job. Because had 289 people died that day, it would be mutual responsibility. The dead terrorist's, those who sent him, and everyone that let him board in Amsterdam!

But as it is, we're the one's that are now going to have to suffer worse restrictions, if we choose to fly. It's crazy!

 

[mbp]

Then again, the Netherlands has one of the largest of Muslim communities in Western Europe.

How is that in any way relevant here? Had this passenger ever been to the Netherlands in his life?

Outdated screening equipment is no excuse, given this she/male bought a one way ticket, had no luggage and no coat, so as to prepare for the weather conditions that would have been awaiting him in Michigan.

Wouldn't the place to notice this be the airport where he first checked in?

 

[funk de fino]

How much control do they have over foreign airport security anyway??? Everyone keeps forgeting that the undie-bomber didnt get on a domestic flight. If this was a NYC to Detriort flight, I doubt he wouldve made it on to the plane.

It is definately a lesson learned situation. We should have more explosive detection machines in the US airports.

The security at Schiphol when you board a US bound plane is mix of US and Dutch security. Screening and interviews at the gate I had on my recent trip were by US personnel. The security at Schiphol was better than the security I encountered in the US. There was a full body screening thing I had to go in. I have no idea what type but it was not just a metal detector.

He was on a US watch list and the US had been warned about him.

You need to get out more.

 

[funk de fino]

Then again, the Netherlands has one of the largest of Muslim communities in Western Europe. Outdated screening equipment is no excuse, given this she/male bought a one way ticket, had no luggage and no coat, so as to prepare for the weather conditions that would have been awaiting him in Michigan.
I hope the authorities in Amsterdam conduct an investigation on everyone associated with boarding of Flight 253. The world is aware of what transpired on 911. Especially, airport personnel. This guy showed all signs of making a one way trip, never intending to disembark. (No luggage and no coat to withstand December Michigan weather?!)
Someone could very well have let him on board that flight. In any case, such negligence should at the very least result in everyone involved with the screening, losing their job. Because had 289 people died that day, it would be mutual responsibility. The dead terrorist's, those who sent him, and everyone that let him board in Amsterdam!

But as it is, we're the one's that are now going to have to suffer worse restrictions, if we choose to fly. It's crazy!

see previous post

 

[leftysergeant]

Then again, the Netherlands has one of the largest of Muslim communities in Western Europe.

Way to go. Start your debate sounding xenophobic and paranoid.

Just what we need (like a kosher deli needs pork chops.)

 

[davefoc]

I have a great deal of apathy about the entire thing.

I thought Napolitano did the right thing when she said the system worked. I was disappointed when everyone started falling on their swords and pulling phony martyr lines.

Of course, they had to for political reasons.

The system didn't work or if the system did work the system is really screwed up.

Normally in these situations there is a lot of ambiguity about whether the mistake should reasonably have been prevented or the mistake was just the result of a reasonable application of resources that just didn't happen to prevent this particular problem.

In this instance an outrageous error was made and administration officials went in to obfuscation mode almost from the start. This was in 2009 not in 1959. Computers have been around for quite awhile. Databases are standard practice. When the father of somebody goes to a US embassy and reports that he has concerns about his son as a potential terrorist that person deserves an entry in the TSA database as a person that requires additional screening and concern. This is not something that involves complicated connecting the dots type of thinking. If a direct clue like that is ignored then somebody screwed up big time and one is left to wonder whether the right people are in charge if an error like this slips through, especially when the administration works so hard to cover up the people who actually made the error.

 

[leftysergeant]

Computers or no, humans still need to enter the data. Who was supposed to have entered the data?

Are there old Bush appointees who have been converted from appointed to civil service positions deliberately leaving gaps? Would not surprise me a bit.

Obama needs to weed out the rot that the Shrub left in place.

 

[Ludicrous Leprechaun]

Way to go. Start your debate sounding xenophobic and paranoid.

Just what we need (like a kosher deli needs pork chops.)

Well, when you find someone like that you'll have a point! As it is, you're doing just fine as an example of a dysfunctional illiterate.

 

[Ludicrous Leprechaun]

dbl pst

 

[Ludicrous Leprechaun]

How is that in any way relevant here? Had this passenger ever been to the Netherlands in his life?

Did the man depart the Netherlands, wherein their well aware of the attacks on America by radical Muslims!? (Yes) Did his departure ticket declare he was bound for the U.S. (Detroit)!? Yes! In December, did this woman/man meet the proper profile for someone that was intending to make a typical flight to the U.S.!? NO!
No luggage, a one way ticket and no coat so as to withstand the bitter Michigan winter!
Has Amsterdam (Netherlands) been the target of Muslim terrorist attacks!? YES!
It's not Xenophobic to recognize radical Muslims exist! And in a western European country that boasts one of the largest Muslim populations, the authorities there are vigilant about thwarting attacks by radical Muslims, that make the entire Muslim community look bad.

Wouldn't the place to notice this be the airport where he first checked in?

Um, Yeaaah!? Which was my point. He boarded on a flight that departed the Netherlands via an Amsterdam airport. (Which in the latest reports after this, has no plans to upgrade security!)

 

[Peephole]

Yes, let's profile all muslims, something which is a) impossible to do properly and b) would clog up the system even more.

 

[Peephole]

Also: make airport personal check for weather conditions and proper attire. Is that supposed to be a joke?

 

[funk de fino]

Did the man depart the Netherlands, wherein their well aware of the attacks on America by radical Muslims!? (Yes) Did his departure ticket declare he was bound for the U.S. (Detroit)!? Yes! In December, did this woman/man meet the proper profile for someone that was intending to make a typical flight to the U.S.!? NO!
No luggage, a one way ticket and no coat so as to withstand the bitter Michigan winter!
Has Amsterdam (Netherlands) been the target of Muslim terrorist attacks!? YES!
It's not Xenophobic to recognize radical Muslims exist! And in a western European country that boasts one of the largest Muslim populations, the authorities there are vigilant about thwarting attacks by radical Muslims, that make the entire Muslim community look bad.

Um, Yeaaah!? Which was my point. He boarded on a flight that departed the Netherlands via an Amsterdam airport. (Which in the latest reports after this, has no plans to upgrade security!)

Stop ignoring my post based on actual recent experience and filling your posts with ignorance of procedures at Schipol.

How do you tell the difference between a muslim nigerian and a christian one based on appearance?

Where did he check in for his first flight on this trip? What are the transfer procedures at Schiphol? If you want a instruction on Schiphol I'll be more than glad to help.

I never wear a warm jacket when I fly. If I need one I put it on when I pick up baggage on arrival at destination. I do not need it on the plane or in the airport. When did you last take a transatlantic flight transferring through a european airporrt?

 

[Peephole]

Also, that the suspect bought a one-way ticket is a myth.

 

[funk de fino]

Also, that the suspect bought a one-way ticket is a myth.

As I have seen it reported he bought a round trip and paid cash.