Is Islam an evil religion?

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RandFan said:
What does an evil religion even mean? Doesn't all that child raping and hundreds of years of wars and kiling and burning and stoning make Christianity evil? If not then I don't think Islam is evil.
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Who here is saying Christianity is not evil. Point him out to me. Is he someone real?
 
bikerdruid said:
well then...clearly the bible has the koran trumped in cruelty to queers, because it orders the death of them.
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Read. R E A D. READ. Go back and read. You did not read what I said.

WRONG AGAIN
That is not the issue. The Quran is not to the Muslims as the Bible is to the Christians. The Quran is almost completely written in the first person as if it was coming from Allah's mouth and Mo just basically wrote it down as if transcribing it. The Bible is not like that at all. So if the Quran talks about not liking gay people, Muslims will joyfully skip off and feel compelled to do Allah's will to Allahs delight. The Bible is written differently, "God told Moses ...." written by the perspective of a bystander who might have told someone who told someone who told someone who write it down as a rough-cut knowing that it might not be 100% right. That is why the fact that the gospels contradict each other (was Jesus' robe purple or red when he was being marched off to his death?) is a non issue to Christians.
 
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RandFan said:
I don't give a damn. It doesn't change anything. Something to do with Yahweh.
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Get some sleep. you have had a tought weekend. I don't believe in Yahweh.

Now I know why you seem to keep following me around and keep bringing up Christianity.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
. The Quran is not to the Muslims as the Bible is to the Christians.
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the koran is to radical muslims, EXACTLY as the bible is to fundamentalist christians, a rapidly growing segment of western society.
moderate muslims treat the more extreme bits of the koran, as moderate christians do the same in the bible, as irrelevant and inappropriate in the modern world.

only muslim extremists and the muslims in your fantasy take it as literal.
and for that matter, most of the very extreme bits of islam do not come out of the koran, but from more recent islamic leaders.
 
Arguing about which book of fairy tales is the more (or less) "X" does nothing but exhibit the fanaticism of the posters.
 
Bill Thompson said:
So how does Lincoln have anything to do with Islam being an evil religion or not?
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You tell us. It was you who introduced the subject with an erroneous claim based on the writings of a liar.

You know, the state of Georgia is going to execute an innocent man, Troy Davis, this coming week. Seven of the Nine people who fingered him as a killer of a cop have recanted and said they only testified against Davis because of pressure from the police. And this is why I am telling you this. The state of Georgia requires that once someone is convicted of a capitall crime, the burden of proof is on the convicted to prove that they are innocent. Without DNA or convicting someone else, that is possible.
It is as if pride stands in the way of the state admitting it messed up. That is 100% how you role.
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Now you are just projecting.

It is most likely Lincoln, like all politicians for the Union, hated the Catholic Church since they actually did side with the South during the civil war. I checked this out. I called the History Department at my local University and they agree with me. I even posted contact information here about it.
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I missed that. Could you link to the post with the contact information, as well as the person or persons with whom you corresponded? I would like to run the above statement, "It is most likely Lincoln, like all politicians for the Union, hated the Catholic Church since they actually did side with the South during the civil war", by them and see what they have to say.

The Quran is not like the Bible. The entire book is a comandment from Allah and a reference of what Allah wants. It is mostly written in the first person. Very very little of the Bible is written in the first person.
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What does first person have to do with it? Please point out the verses in the Bible that state that the Bible is only meant to be interpreted as allegory or parable, and not to be taken literally.

It is amusing how you are not man enough to admit simple thnigs. Even the anti-gay passages you have found in the Bible are not commandments to kill homosexuals and are not really commandments in the first person.
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Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.

This is from Leviticus, one of the five books falling under the heading "The Law".

The more you defend yourself the more you amuse me.
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Bill Thompson said:
All the leaders of each Christian sects insist that the Bible is not to be interpreted literally.
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So how does Lincoln have anything to do with Islam being an evil religion or not? Even if you are right on this point, you are still wrong, and the more time and text you spend on Lincoln the more absurd your argument is.
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Again, you tell us. You brought up Lincoln and claimed that he hated Catholics. We demonstrated that your claim was based on fallacious evidence and you have been trying to avoid admitting error ever since.
 
Lincoln most likey hated the Catholics like all Union politicians. Ask any history department at any major university. I have called 5 so far and so far it is 5 out of 5 in favor of my position.
 
Foster Zygote said:
Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.

This is from Leviticus, one of the five books falling under the heading "The Law".
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Duh, now. Did you honestly think I did not know that? I guess not. That is amazing.

But Leviticus like other Laws are written in the 3rd person or even hear-say several times removed from the original source. It is not written like "I am God, and I command you that..." it is more like "God told Moses that...". It is believed that Moses wrote it. But why would Moses not say "and then God told me...". Instead it is written by an observers point of view.

The Quran has that beat.
 
Robrob said:
Arguing about which book of fairy tales is the more (or less) "X" does nothing but exhibit the fanaticism of the posters.
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I know. It is past time until I can complete transcribing Thunderf00t's youtube videos. As well as some comments directly from Muslims and former Muslims.

Foster and BikerDruid are fun to chat with.
 
bikerdruid said:
the koran is to radical muslims, EXACTLY as the bible is to fundamentalist christians
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Go fight them. What are you doing wasting your time here?

Organize a protest and pride march. I wish you luck and success.

You break rule 11

Anyway, how many Muslims have you heard say, "well.... the Qurain is not REALLLLY literrrrallly the realllll word of God". It is much more likely that they will say something like "well, I only know what the Quran says in Arabic and I really don't understand Arabic, I speak Urdu".
 
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bikerdruid said:
bill, i gotta tell you, you are getting more and more unbalanced in this ****.
maybe you need a new hobby...zen garden,maybe?
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That is an Ad Homemim attack.
Do you know logical fallacies?

You use them a lot.

And what is your deal with Christianity? If you do not like them, why are you not talking about them in another discussion thread?

Go fight them. What are you doing wasting your time here?

Organize a protest and pride march. I wish you luck and success.

You break rule 11

Anyway, how many Muslims have you heard say, "well.... the Qurain is not REALLLLY literrrrallly the realllll word of God". It is much more likely that they will say something like "well, I only know what the Quran says in Arabic and I really don't understand Arabic, I speak Urdu".


Do you have a degree in psychology? I do not think you do. Tell me what exactly shows unbalance to you.
 
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bikerdruid said:
the koran is to radical muslims, EXACTLY as the bible is to fundamentalist christians, a rapidly growing segment of western society.
moderate muslims treat the more extreme bits of the koran, as moderate christians do the same in the bible, as irrelevant and inappropriate in the modern world.

only muslim extremists and the muslims in your fantasy take it as literal.
and for that matter, most of the very extreme bits of islam do not come out of the koran, but from more recent islamic leaders.
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You are wrong.

You do not know what you are talking about.

The problem is that many Muslims do not really know what the Quran or how Islam really works.
 
Jesus Christ overrules the Old Testment for Christians. He stressed that one should not judge. So the contrary stuff in Moses laws are dismissed to most Christians.

There is something else. Mohammed got a lot of things wrong and mixed up. One thing he got wrong was how "Word of God" is defined. The word "of" can mean "about" instead of "from". Some Christians define the term "Word of God" as meaning "The Word About God" but the Quran is the "Word From God".

As I said Jesus Christ overrules the brutal laws in Old Testment, according to Christians. He stressed that one should not judge. So the contrary stuff in Moses laws are dismissed to most Christians. The Old Testament has stuff about stoning disobedient kids and all sort of brutal stuff. Jesus Christ did not teach these things but stressed to not judge and to turn the other cheek.

What is interesting is that the Quran is kind of backwards like this. THe compassionate and cool stuff at the beginning is ruled out by the violent stuff in the later passages.
 
bikerdruid said:
and you know more than most of the world's muslims....:rolleyes:
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Unlike you, I have been studying this stuff.

It is not difficult to know more about Islam than most Muslims. Translation in their own language is not available and it is even a sin to question Islam.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
Unlike you, I have been studying this stuff.

It is not difficult to know more about Islam than most Muslims. Translation in their own language is not available and it is even a sin to question Islam.
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Bill, I'm friend with a number of Muslims and ex-Muslims. I don't mind criticizing Islam but I do disagree with the broad brush strokes.
 
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