Is Islam an evil religion?

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So, expelled. Exactly as we discussed re Greece and Spain, when you approved the expulsion of Islam from these countries. (Don't even TRY to deny that you did!) Just so. That's what you really mean. But I have never heard of Islam being "expelled" without Muslims being expelled.

Do you mean, put the mosques on wheels, and push them across the borders? Send away all the Korans by parcel post? And leave the Muslims where they are? Or do you mean what in fact happened in the other countries whose expulsion of Islam you noted with satisfaction; that is, the Muslim inhabitants were expelled. That is the ONLY way you can "expel" or "devalue" a religion.

This has been pointed out to you hundreds of times, and you still respond with the same old un-thought junk cut and pasted from crazed hate sites.
 
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And, as I've repeatedly attempted to explain to you, there is no single answer to any of those questions in "Islam". Instead, there are a huge number of divergent opinions about each and every one of those topics (along with hundreds more topics). And not just random man-on-the-street divergence of opinion, but divergence among authoritative scholars and jurists within the religion itself.
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That does not mean anything. Just as there will always be a Warren Jeffs who breaks away, runs off into the woods and starts a group based on what the BOM really says, there will always be an Osama bin Laden who breaks away, runs off into the desert and starts a group based on what the QURAN really says. And, yes, his interpretation was more literal and thus more accurate than yours. He had the money and the resources to get it right, instead of having to rely an apologist mush and re-evaluating and the myth buiding of the Hadaths to be more palatable to Western Culture LIKE YOU HAVE DONE.

Your approach, as I understand it, is to net law enforcement handle the Warren Jeffs and the Osama bin Laden's in the world. Well as long as there is Islam, yes, peaceful mainstream Isalm, it is an unending harmful relentless stream. There will be another person just like Osama bin Laden tomorrow and another one after that as long as the scripture has influence. No one wants a struggle that never ends.

You have shown often that you don't read or misread what I type. I hope you get this tho. Did you get it?
 
Craig B said:
So, expelled. Exactly as we discussed re Greece and Spain, when you approved the expulsion of Islam from these countries. (Don't even TRY to deny that you did!) Just so. That's what you really mean. But I have never heard of Islam being "expelled" without Muslims being expelled.

Do you mean, put the mosques on wheels, and push them across the borders? Send away all the Korans by parcel post? And leave the Muslims where they are? Or do you mean what in fact happened in the other countries whose expulsion of Islam you noted with satisfaction; that is, the Muslim inhabitants were expelled. That is the ONLY way you can "expel" or "devalue" a religion.This has been pointed out to you hundreds of times, and you still respond with the same old un-thought junk cut and pasted from crazed hate sites.
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No one is talking about Greece here but you. What are you talking about? Something form 1492 or something?
I am not worried about a Greek Orthodox Priest submitting some official decree saying I need to be beheaded for calling some Saint a whore. I can't say the same for Islam. Islam is the current battle. Your reaching into the past means nothing.

The hilited area is only in your imagination. In fact the truth is the opposite. You cannot stop a religion by harming the people who practice it now, today, in modern times.

You do not stop an idea by killing the people who belive it. That is just plain nuts. Sorry, I am not going to play this game with you anymore.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
No one is talking about Greece here but you. What are you talking about? Something form 1492 or something?
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Tut, tut, Bill. You're playing faux-naif with me again. Didn't I ask you not to deny things? See my post #321 18 Aug which recounts our discussion re expulsion of Muslims
Me: Following the war of 1920, unleashed by a Greek invasion of Turkey, Christians were expelled from Turkey, and Muslims from Greece. The Greek city of Smyrna, with its Churches, was destroyed. Turkey was by then under secular rule. The caliphate was abolished just at that time. These were wartime nationalist atrocities. How many old mosqes survive in Greece, or Spain, or Sicily?
Bill: I would hope none.
Bill again: The muslims invaded. They were kicked out. Why should there be a memory of them in Greece?
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So here's you "talking about Greece" and about Muslims being kicked out, and their memory obliterated. Why do you deny things anybody can check in 30 seconds? And do it a few minutes after being warned about it! It strengthens my suspicion that there are two of you, and one doesn't read the other's posts.
 
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Tut, tut, Bill. You're playing faux-naif with me again. Didn't I ask you not to deny things? See my post #321 18 Aug which recounts our discussion re expulsion of Muslims So here's you "talking about Greece" and about Muslims being kicked out, and their memory obliterated. Why do you deny things anybody can check in 30 seconds? And do it a few minutes after being warned about it! It strengthens my suspicion that there are two of you, and one doesn't read the other's posts.
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But I was just playing along. All this does not mean anything.

You never have a point with all this stuff. When I ask you what your point is, you never tell me.
 
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Ah, not lying, just playing along because it doesn't mean anything.

Let me go and ponder these wise words.:)
 
Craig B said:
Ah, not lying, just playing along because it doesn't mean anything.

Let me go and ponder these wise words.:)
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Playing along is not lying. You were talking about history. I talk about history too. I was playing along. I did not see where you were going with it and I still don't. And you STILL don't tell me. When I say I guess you were not going anywhere you seem to accuse me of hiding something. It is kind of funny in a weird, scarry way.

You seem to have fuzzy logic where two ideas that you can draw a relation between somehow become the exact same thing. Then you interpret everything to mean the most evil blood soaked interpretation possible.

It is as if, to you, Bush's "no child left behid" program had a secret nepharious meaning where any child left behind needed to be shot or shipped off to a death camp.

I ask you to tell me where you are going with your historic tidbits and you do not tell me. You still don't. You throw wild accusations at me and I explain why they are not true and it is like either you can't read or you refuse to becuae you will come back again insisting your imaginary deamons are real. You will cite text that do not even support your ideas and insist that they do.
 
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Craig, you seem to think that the word "bigot" means:
"A person you do not understand and refuse to listen to."
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That is what it seems to mean to you. You do not understand me and you refuse to listen to me and you call me a "bigot".

Also, when I ask you what point you are trying to make with your historic factoids, you never say. My guess is that I caught you off-guard and you really didn't have a point to make at all. Embarassed, you look for a quick exit and so you resort to calling me names and try to change the subject.

I think I made some good points in the last few posts. I also think you will not read them.
 
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Bill

Just thought of something.
What are you talking about? Something form 1492 or something?
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That's a "smoking gun", Bill. The treaty of 1492 in Spain following the fall of Granada provided for tolerance of Islam by Spain in the recently conquered territory. It was soon broken of course. But here's the point: it's your favourite website person Ali Sina who relates with pleasure that Muslims were expelled in 1492. Alas, he's stating untruths. It was the JEWS who were expelled ... And they mostly sought refuge in the Muslim Ottoman Empire, where they enjoyed substantial tolerance and tranquillity, far above anything they experienced in Europe.

So you're influenced yet again by reactionary and mendacious anti-Muslim bloggers.
 
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So Judaism and Christianity need to be expelled as well, yes?
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Only if you can convince Bill that someone, somewhere would take those deeply respected scriptures literally.

He seems to have given up saying that they HAVE to be interpreted in a particular way, and is now saying the problem is that someone will come along and take them a particular, problematic way -- and he says that problematic way is the most correct, most literal way.

We're lucky that politics isn't open to such problems of interpretation and deep respect.

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I was going on memory. I was basically right. What the heck is your point in going over every dotted I or crossed T? I do not think I was referring to any Morrill Anti-Bigmamy Act.
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Like I said: "I know nothing about this. So I googled."

If you had more infomation, then I would have been interested.

You said "Lincoln told them to stop the practice of having multiple wives or else he would send in federal troops and take all their children and property away." Wiki says: "Lincoln gave Brigham Young tacit permission to ignore the Morrill Act in exchange for not becoming involved with the Civil War. General Patrick Edward Connor, commanding officer of the federal forces garrisoned at Fort Douglas, Utah beginning in 1862 was explicitly instructed not to confront the Mormons over this or any other issue."

So, if you are right, then what infomation do you have to support your claim?
 
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Craig,

I had pretty much already known all that stuff about the Catholics that you were talking about. I am not a pro-Catholic person either. And we all know how bad things were in Bosnia -- Bill Clinton sided with the Muslims in that war, remember -- so I don't see your point. Your point seemed to be that the Christians were worse. Mkay, even if that was true, what is your point? You never say what your point is. When I ask you what your point is, you call be a bigot. That is not what the word bigot means. A bigot is not someone who catches you in a non sequtur logical fallacy.

I am not so sure Christians are worse because of the reasons you mentioned. I can post errors in the Bible online and I have a lot. But this never results in angry threats from someone. No one tells me what terrible things they want to do to me and my mother if I cite biblical flaws. This has not been the same with the Quran.

If I wrote about mistakes in the Bilble or about the Inquisition on the internet, I don't think anyone would be crazy enough to call me a bigot.
 
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So Judaism and Christianity need to be expelled as well, yes?
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Consider all religions as brain rapers.

Should I feel more threatened by the brain rapers who want to make abortion illegal more than the brain rapers who want to make aborion illegal AND want to knife me as I walk to work in the morning?
 
Bill Thompson said:
Consider all religions as brain rapers.

Should I feel more threatened by the brain rapers who want to make abortion illegal more than the brain rapers who want to make aborion illegal AND want to knife me as I walk to work in the morning?
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OK thanks! Your position makes perfect sense now.

Bill Thompson says that Islam is evil because Muslims want to knife Bill Thompson.

Well with an paranoid attitude like that it is no wonder why you have such trouble understanding simple facts and logic.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Consider all religions as brain rapers.

Should I feel more threatened by the brain rapers who want to make abortion illegal more than the brain rapers who want to make aborion illegal AND want to knife me as I walk to work in the morning?
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If I worked at a Planned Parenthood clinic in the United States, it would be far more likely that I'd be knifed on my way to work by a Christian than by a Muslim.

So, again, why should we single out Islam as more dangerous than other religions?
 
No one ever called me a bigot when I showed Christians there were flaws in the bible.

No one ever called me a christian hater when I was telling people the bad things in christianity.

Craig, do you know who Fred Phelps is? Years ago, when his "church" was not so much in the news, he was just a minor annoyance with his "godhatesfags" web site.

I emailed him to tell him that the bible interpeted literally had errors in it. He disagreed and we started an email exchange.

His whole deal was that he just interpeted the bible literally and did what it said.

After showing him that, no, there are not any four-legged insects like God told Moses and all the other piles of contradictions and errors, he tried his best to come up with logical explainations. "The four leged insets are extinct... they 'evolved' away...maybe rabits don't chew their cuds but if you go back to the original hebrew maybe it was another kind of animal that is extinct..."

After a long, long time, he began to see that his explainations were more far-fetched than the simple idea that the bible cannot be interpreted literally.

Finally he conceeded by saying "if you want to believe the bible is wrong, fine, go ahead, go out and foricate and be a drunkard, but if you are wrong somehow there will be an eternal price to pay in the afterlife".

Phelps never called me a bigot. He never acused me of hating christians for disagreeing with him and showing that christianity (at least his kind) is wrong.

On the other hand, my dealings with you are far more irrational, off the mark and out in left field. Phelps actually discussed things with me and he actually read what I wrote to him. You have not even done that.

On scale of one to ten, Phelps would be a 9 and you would be a very solid 10.
 
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