Is Islam an evil religion?

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Dayan81 said:
First of all, the Trinity is not polytheism, as The Father, The Son & The Holy Ghost is seen as three parts of the same God..sort of like the branches of a tree or the three equal parts of the American govt.

Secondly, Islam accepts that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and a Prophet of God.
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Reading the book, he/they certainly act tri-polarly! :)
 
Bill Thompson said:
Luemas, Darling, IT IS SO GREAT TO SEE YOU HERE AGAIN
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Thanks Love... it is gratifying to see you so enthusiastic about my return.

Yes...as you have pointed out... I DO think that Islam and all religions are Evil.

But unlike you I am not trying to start a HOLY WAR against it, or any other religion.

All I am trying is to use REASON and PEACE to foment TOLERANCE and COEXISTENCE with all human beings.

Unlike you I understand that humiliated, disenfranchised, browbeaten, dispossessed, poor, uneducated, desperate people are going to rally behind anything that they can find to lash back at the CAUSE of their MISERY.

So the solution is not to demonize the RALLYING POINT....the solution is to STOP the MISERY and to ENFRANCHISE them and STOP ABUSING them and give them back their economic viability and EDUCATE them gradually and earnestly....give them back DIGNITY and PEACE.

The way to annihilate religion is not by WAR or HATE....the way to do it is to gradually and PEACEFULLY educate people and make religion OBSOLETE through economic prosperity and scientific and technological advances.

Unfortunately, as has always been the case with humans, technological advances are used to ABUSE and USE others less advanced to satisfy more GREED and POWER LUST....so it is not surprising that the abused and beaten VICTIMS of technological POWER seek refuge from the rapine and extirpation by resorting to the OPPOSITE of it....superstition and religion.
 
I heard that some Israeli big-shot (rich guy, politician, rich politician, not sure) has proposed a sort of joint Israel/US Marshall Plan for Palestine. Interesting idea, if it were implemented, Palestine could become the most prosperous Middle Eastern Muslim territory.
 
So, DC and AntPogo, are you ok with the fact that rape vicitims in Muslim countries are punished for being raped?

Wait, wait, don't tell me, your answer is that christianity is bad too. Is that right?

http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/rape-victim-ordered-200-lashes-and-prison-by-saudi-judges/

What can be called a travesty of judiciary, the Saudi Arabia’s Higher Judicial Council has actually sentenced a rape victim to receive 200 lashes and prison while the perpetrators of humanity’s most heinous crime were allowed to walk free.
The 19-year-old Shiite woman who was raped by six armed men was originally sentenced to receive 90 lashes for traveling in the car of an ‘unrelated male’ at the time of the rape. However after the woman had the temerity of not unquestioningly submitting herself to be tortured as punishment of being raped, the judges on Saudi Arabia’s Higher Judicial Council more than doubled her punishment for attempting to influence the judiciary through the media.

Her lawyer, human right activist Abdul Rahman al-Lahem, has been banned from carrying her case further. His license has been revoked and he has been called to appear before a disciplinary committee for challenging the judgment, which only punished the victim of the crime and not its perpetrators. The Sunni rapists were given a paltry sentence of one to five years of imprisonment.
This is the horrendous state of a country that keeps its women forcefully behind veils only to extenuate and encourage heinous crimes against them in the name of maintaining social discipline.
Image: Saudigazette
Source: Whyorganic
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Dayan81 said:
Of course not. But if its legal in one Muslim country, its as good as being legal in all Muslim countries, right?

;)
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Right, just like women are powerless in all Muslim countries, including the seven majority Muslim states that have elected eight women to be their president/prime minister.
 
Bill Thompson said:
So, DC and AntPogo, are you ok with the fact that rape vicitims in Muslim countries are punished for being raped?

Wait, wait, don't tell me, your answer is that christianity is bad too. Is that right?

http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/rape-victim-ordered-200-lashes-and-prison-by-saudi-judges/
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Your own link disagrees with you. "The 19-year-old Shiite woman who was raped by six armed men was originally sentenced to receive 90 lashes for traveling in the car of an ‘unrelated male’ at the time of the rape."

Mad, twisted and sick. But it is not what you claimed.

It was discussed at the JREF back at the time:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98958
And also here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76438

I sent e-mails to my MP
He said he would write to the Saudi Ambassador. I'm sure that was a drop in the ocean. But I'm also sure that pressure was put on the Saudis.

The King pardoned the woman:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7147632.stm

BBC said:
The Saudi king has pardoned a female rape victim sentenced to jail and 200 lashes for being alone with a man raped in the same attack, reports say.

[...] The woman's companion was sentenced to 90 lashes. It is not known if his sentence was also lifted.
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That's December 2007.
 
Bill Thompson said:
So, DC and AntPogo, are you ok with the fact that rape vicitims in Muslim countries are punished for being raped?

Wait, wait, don't tell me, your answer is that christianity is bad too. Is that right?

http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/rape-victim-ordered-200-lashes-and-prison-by-saudi-judges/
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Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country. It is barbaric and repressive, by Middle Eastern standards. It's also governed by an unpopular regime propped up by the US military. Are you ok with the fact that the USA supports countries where women can be punished for being raped?

PS: Nice combination of strawman and poisoning the well.
 
Lowpro said:
Don't you freakin' dare tsig. You challenged with a statement to show Muslims horrified of Islam. And now you say you saw what you saw

That is the most RIDICULOUS duck I've ever seen tsig. Unless you're plugged into FOX news 24/7 then you would have seen more than "All Muslims proud of the martyrs of 9/11" or whathaveyou.

Where do you think you are tsig? Do you think you're arguing against people who don't know what they're talking about or at least have a method to learn?

And seriously, I don't pretend to know Islam better but I'm also not so impotent that I cannot at least google "9/11 Muslims Horrified" which was the essence of the challenge you presented. I don't pretend to know, now don't pretend that I cannot possibly find out -.- this forum demands more than that. "Critical Thinking" isn't in its banner for nothing...
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Don't dare? What is the punishment going to be? Cutting off the fingers that are typing?

I think I'm on the JREF Forum where I can say what I want without fear of reprisal.
 
tsig said:
Don't dare? What is the punishment going to be? Cutting off the fingers that are typing?

I think I'm on the JREF Forum where I can say what I want without fear of reprisal.
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I'm not trying to instill a fear of reprisal, but criticism is built on taking the piss out of your opinions and ideas, and your opinions and ideas fall FAR short of valid. The punishment will be swift and sharp criticism and hopefully an education for you on how you're wrong. What's pitiful is completely avoiding the argument and instead ducking and weaving. It's intolerable.

Just because you think you're free to voice your opinions doesn't immunize you're immune to proper criticism.
 
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Lowpro said:
I'm not trying to instill a fear of reprisal, but criticism is built on taking the piss out of your opinions and ideas, and your opinions and ideas fall FAR short of valid. The punishment will be swift and sharp criticism and hopefully an education for you on how you're wrong. What's pitiful is completely avoiding the argument and instead ducking and weaving. It's intolerable.

Just because you think you're free to voice your opinions doesn't immunize you're immune to proper criticism.
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So you deny that Islam teaches cutting off the hands?
 
tsig said:
So you deny that Islam teaches cutting off the hands?
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Find out where I did please.

You also do realize that ancient code of laws (not even all religious laws) used mutilation as punishment and that Islam is faaaaaaaaaaaar from exclusive in that regard. I'm sure you know this, after all, we've been telling you that for awhile now.
 
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Lowpro said:
Find out where I did please.

You also do realize that ancient code of laws (not even all religious laws) used mutilation as punishment and that Islam is faaaaaaaaaaaar from exclusive in that regard. I'm sure you know this, after all, we've been telling you that for awhile now.
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Yes you've been saying this yet there are videos on the web of hands being cut off, I guess those believers don't have the same faith that you do.

ETA: And I've told you that 'they did it too' isn't a defense
 
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