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Is gender preference a form of discrimination?

Arcade22

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Why is a penis “masculine”? Why is a vagina “feminine”? Why are there so many gay men who won’t date a “woman” just because she has a vagina- like THAT IS DISCRIMINATION people and it is totally shallow. Same with straight men who would be “turned off” by giving a blow job to a trans woman. If you connect with someone i don’t get why you can’t just have sex with them and if you are really going to write someone off based on genitalia you are garbage.
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From a now deleted post on tumblr.
 
Yes, it is. When it comes to sex/relationships you can discriminate based on whatever you want (just don't be a jerk about it). What turns you on is what turns you on, not much you can do about it.
 
You know as a bi guy I've always felt that way, but not in a " those people are jerks" way like in the quoted bit in the OP more "i just don't get it".

To me genitalia being the primary deciding factor in who someone wants to be with just does not compute.
 
sadhatter said:
You know as a bi guy I've always felt that way, but not in a " those people are jerks" way like in the quoted bit in the OP more "i just don't get it".

To me genitalia being the primary deciding factor in who someone wants to be with just does not compute.
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The primary sexual organ is the brain.
 
sadhatter said:
You know as a bi guy I've always felt that way, but not in a " those people are jerks" way like in the quoted bit in the OP more "i just don't get it".

To me genitalia being the primary deciding factor in who someone wants to be with just does not compute.
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I can see how it would seem that way to you, but the view is a little simplistic. For example, someone who wants to meet a person and have/raise children with them would have to consider genitalia in the equation even if they're sexually attracted to all sorts of people. While adoption is often an option, many (most?) have a fundamental desire to pass on their genes.
 
Babbylonian said:
I can see how it would seem that way to you, but the view is a little simplistic. For example, someone who wants to meet a person and have/raise children with them would have to consider genitalia in the equation even if they're sexually attracted to all sorts of people. While adoption is often an option, many (most?) have a fundamental desire to pass on their genes.
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Fair point. Rationality will give way to a[nother/baser] desire, for some/most. The ability to cleave more closely to that rational goal is just a game of 'race you to the lamppost I'm already touching'.
 
Because of evolution. What if a woman says, "he's a great guy -- handsome, well-raised, smart. We share the same interests and sense of humor. What difference should it make that he's my brother?" Biology is in some ways cruel, arbitrary and amoral.


Babbylonian said:
For example, someone who wants to meet a person and have/raise children with them would have to consider genitalia in the equation even if they're sexually attracted to all sorts of people.
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At least those people are thinking toward the future, but still men and women are attracted to people who will make terrible parents. Part of that is because we do not desire sex in order to have kids. We have sex because it feels good. Those ancestors who thought it was a chore, probably did not have many kids.

An economist mentioned the "market failure" of women attracted to rich men, and men attracted to beautiful women. Are rich men better suited to be fathers? Do beautiful women make better mothers? Rich men are probably better able to provide for children, and beautiful women are probably better able to bear children... but still.
 
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Ah, someone's been reading tumblrinaction I see. That site is making me really really hate activists.

So I'm "garbage" if I don't drive stick ? I want an innie, not an outie ? Sheesh, for years gay people have been telling us that they were born this way and now we have retards like the author of the quote in the Op trying to tell us that it's a choice ?

I wonder how that hottie in the gold lame minidress sitting over at the bar would react if I said " before I offer to buy you a drink, would you mind telling me in you have a penis under there?" I dunno, I'm imagining her punching me.
 
My reaction to this...

Why is a penis “masculine”?
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According to the dictionary definition of masculine:

2. Of or pertaining to the male sex; biologically male, not female.

Given that the penis is a male sexual organ, it necessarily pertains to the male sex, and is therefore masculine by definition.

Why is a vagina “feminine”?
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According to the dictionary definition of feminine:

2. Of or pertaining to the female sex; biologically female, not male.

Given that the vagina is a female sexual orifice, it necessarily pertains to the female sex, and is therefore feminine by definition.

Why are there so many gay men who won’t date a “woman” just because she has a vagina-
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I don't think it's just the vagina. If you took a normal attractive woman and surgically replaced her vagina with a penis, leaving the rest of he body completely unaltered, I genuinely doubt that gay men would suddenly be interested in dating her.

For someone who is exclusively attracted to men, a person with a female body-shape, breasts, female facial features and voice would be completely unattractive to them regardless of whether or not that person has a penis of vagina.

like THAT IS DISCRIMINATION people
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So what? There's nothing wrong with discrimination in general.

Is there anything wrong with straight men discriminating against other men when seeking a sexual partner? Or straight women discriminating against other women as potential mates for romantic interludes?

Is there anything wrong with businesses discriminating against unqualified applicants when hiring new staff, or driving instructors discriminating against giving blind people driving lessons?

Discrimination isn't necessarily a bad thing.

If you connect with someone i don’t get why you can’t just have sex with them
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I don't see why connecting with someone should in any way relate to wanting to have sex with them. You can be friends with people without wanting to screw them.

The assumption that people should be willing to have sex with anyone they can "connect with" on an emotional level seem to be a gross perversion of normal human relationships to me.

and if you are really going to write someone off based on genitalia you are garbage.
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People often "write someone off" as a potential sexual partner based on whether or not they find that person sexually attractive. There's no virtue in being willing to have sex with someone you're not sexually attracted to.

Accusing people of being "garbage" simply because they don't want to have sex with people they're not sexually attracted to is a pretty sick mindset.
 
Madalch said:
Not all forms of discrimination are bad.
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It's amazing how many people don't get this.

Indeed, many forms of discrimination (including the one mentioned in the OP) are essential for the survival of the human species.
 
Gallstones said:
Perhaps the "complainer" is feeling left out?
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Yes, it smells of the old "Don't want me ? That's because you're bigoted against my sex/skin color/nationality/profession/interests* ! Nobody with a truly open mind would ever reject me !"


* curiously, it's never about their character, personnal habits or manias ...
 
gumboot said:
It's amazing how many people don't get this.

Indeed, many forms of discrimination (including the one mentioned in the OP) are essential for the survival of the human species.
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When I was a young man ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man ), being a " discriminating individual" was a positive and good thing ; a person of taste, one who could tell good from bad, right from wrong, a hawk from a handsaw.

Now many of those divisions were (and are) pretty arbitrary, a matter of upbringing, culture, personal preference. Our attitudes (in some parts of the world) have broadened in some areas and , no doubt, narrowed in others, especially in the area of sexual behaviour.

One reason for the wider acceptance of homosexual behaviour as a "norm" is the idea (however vaguely understood) that it is indeed genetically controlled rather than being a simple choice.

Well and good.

However, having accepted that, we must also face the possibility that a significant number of people may be genetically a bit dim and so may hold notions of what is proper, quite at variance with those which we brighter types can so clearly see to be correct.
 
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