Is Circumcision Right or Wrong?

[Bram Kaandorp]

There's actually some discussion of the "whys" early in the thread. You must have missed all of them.

He was speaking specifically about size, which wasn't addressed. But you're partly right, since size isn't seen as important. (As Blackadder so elegantly put it: "It's not what you've got, it's where you stick it!")

 

[Dave Rogers]

Any guy here who would voluntarily choose to have a smaller penis? So why do people think it is okay to make that choice for a child?

"Jewish men are the most optimistic men in the world. We cut a piece off the end before we even know how long it's going to be."

- Bernie Winters

 

[Fascination]

In the last fifteen years the aggregate infant circumcision rate for the US has declined from 56% to 33%, and it's still dropping.

Awesome statistic! It's great that things are changing.

 

[RedRatSnake]

Thanks mom and dad for giving me a Helmet, i used to paint a little face on it and make my girlfriends giggle, i don't have to pull it back to pee, i never got any infections or cruddy stuff, And best of all ! i can put moist sugar around the rim and have my wife pretend it's a margarita.

 

[JudeBrando]

I was at a BDSM munch this past weekend...

Just curious... what was that?

 

[slingblade]

He was speaking specifically about size, which wasn't addressed. But you're partly right, since size isn't seen as important. (As Blackadder so elegantly put it: "It's not what you've got, it's where you stick it!")

He was asking why would a parent circumcise a child, when doing so means he ends up with less penis than he was born with.

Some of us have already explained why we did it. He must have missed that part, and asking us to explain again, specifically as it relates to the length of the organ, makes no sense. We did what we did for the reasons we have already given. Read them.


I would be interested in knowing if anyone is trying to assert that an uncut man's penis--the part of it that actually gets engorged, not the skin sleeve that dangles maybe half an inch beyond the glans--is longer than that of a cut man's.

 

[catsmate]

Just curious... what was that?

BDSM munch.

 

[jdp]

I would be interested in knowing if anyone is trying to assert that an uncut man's penis--the part of it that actually gets engorged, not the skin sleeve that dangles maybe half an inch beyond the glans--is longer than that of a cut man's.

This could in fact be the case especially if the circumcision results in some degree of buried penis. As an aside, and I can't recall where I saw this, I do remember reading that circumcised penises where on average some small value (a CM or two) smaller.

 

[slingblade]

This could in fact be the case especially if the circumcision results in some degree of buried penis. As an aside, and I can't recall where I saw this, I do remember reading that circumcised penises where on average some small value (a CM or two) smaller.

Then I know a man who would be grateful he was cut, as he is so long that it tends to drive women away.

I know it will come as a shock to many of you, but really, most women don't get all that happy at the prospect of some 10 inches of engorged flesh being shoved into them, repeatedly and with force.

Go figure, eh?

 

[Duffy Moon]

i don't have to pull it back to pee

Huh? Me neither: Just unzip, aim, fire. You may be misinformed.

i never got any infections or cruddy stuff.

The only time I recall 'cruddy stuff' was a couple of times in my teens when I went several days without washing. I'm a tad more conscientious about personal hygiene these days, you'll be glad to hear. Give him a wash every day, not a prob.

And best of all ! i can put moist sugar around the rim and have my wife pretend it's a margarita.

Respect due, sir. But I can do that too.


Just wouldn't get me anywhere: "Put it away you randy sod" etc.

 

[sadhatter]

You see I am not sure that I would blame the parents; they are as much victims as the child. Personally, I blame the doctors who are performing circumcisions. They are the ones who know it is an unnecessary procedure yet they still perform them. When asked why most will say something along the lines of, "Because the parents insist on it." Which is of course a crock. It is up to the physicians to explain that in spite of what the parents "insist on" that there is no rational reasons to perform it therefore they don't.

Now having said that I do think that the blame can start to shift more toward the parents because although it might have been the case that years ago they were uninformed, this is much less the case now. Today it's easy to find out that it's unnecessary and not performed in most modern countries. Ultimately though this is solely an issue with those who perform them.

As someone going through school to work in the medical field, ( pharmacy) i can say i dont blame the doctors. The problem is that if people want it, you have to provide the care. As an example if i were to be asked about homeopathic medications after i become a pharmacist, even if i don't want to dispense them i am required to give the person an alternative pharmacist who will.

So the doctor's hands are tied, so to speak.

 

[sadhatter]

He was speaking specifically about size, which wasn't addressed. But you're partly right, since size isn't seen as important. (As Blackadder so elegantly put it: "It's not what you've got, it's where you stick it!")

I forget where i heard this one but it always stuck with me, action movie i think.

" It may be about how you use it, but its allot easier to hit your target with an ICBM than a pellet gun. " ( or maybe the last bit was " with a .22" )

 

[Fascination]

Then I know a man who would be grateful he was cut, as he is so long that it tends to drive women away.

I know it will come as a shock to many of you, but really, most women don't get all that happy at the prospect of some 10 inches of engorged flesh being shoved into them, repeatedly and with force.

Go figure, eh?

LOL, I agree completely! Years ago, I was dating a very attractive guy who was very sweet....but his penis was so huge, I was terrified of having sex with him! Needless to say, the relationship didn't last!

 

[Fascination]

My reasons aren't very good, but I didn't know that at the time my sons were born. I was pretty young.

My mother had cervical cancer, while she was pregnant with me, and she blamed my father's lack of proper hygiene. He was uncircumcised. I heard this when I was young, and remembered it. Also, I didn't know any uncircumcised men. I'd not met one yet. So it was normative to me. It was "what you did." So, being all of 19 when my first son was born, I had it done. My second son was born 17 months later. Same thing. And honestly, not knowing anything about it, I wasn't sure I'd know how to teach a boy to take care of himself. So it was normal, it was easier, and it was done out of worry.

I'd not do it now, knowing what I know.

Don't let people get you down about this. You did what you thought was right at the time. Has no one on this forum ever made a decision that they later regret?

 

[RedRatSnake]

Huh? Me neither: Just unzip, aim, fire. You may be misinformed.



The only time I recall 'cruddy stuff' was a couple of times in my teens when I went several days without washing. I'm a tad more conscientious about personal hygiene these days, you'll be glad to hear. Give him a wash every day, not a prob.




Respect due, sir. But I can do that too.


Just wouldn't get me anywhere: "Put it away you randy sod" etc.

Be proud of what ya got

 

[slingblade]

Don't let people get you down about this. You did what you thought was right at the time. Has no one on this forum ever made a decision that they later regret?

Oh, yeah, and most of us have no problem admitting it. Most have no problem accepting a change in attitude that would have resulted in a different outcome, had we only changed our attitudes in time. Most of us get that people live and learn, with any luck at all.

But on this topic, even when your reasons are understandable and you've since changed your mind, you still get the enraged contingent that calls you "child abusing mutilator."

 

[DangerMouth]

In my personal experience as a female....sex with uncircumcised men felt different than circumcised men. It felt better with uncircumcised men. There was more friction perhaps?
Anyway, I wouldn't circumcise my son if I ever have one. I see no reason for it.
About the hygiene issue, my father and several ex boyfriends were uncircumcised. None of them ever had a problem with smegma. It's simple...you just wash it!

You say 'more friction' like it's a good thing, lol. Maybe I'm just super-sensitve?

But yeah, I can't really think of a place more prone to collect secretions than the labial folds, yet no one suggests cutting those away at birth for cleanliness reasons. I've never had so much as a yeast infection or a UTI.

Still, I'm glad that being childfree means I never had to make this decision. I see both sides; the ethical reasoning, and that around here, it's still considered 'normal'. When I go to pick up my niece after (grade) school, there's one car absolutely covered with anti-circ bumperstickers. And I cringe for that little boy. Way to tell the world what your kid's wang looks like, lady.

 

[DangerMouth]

Originally Posted by Ryokan View Post

But I'm guessing he doesn't use it for the same reason, and as often, as cut men do - especially single men. When you're uncut, all you need to do is grab it and you're good to go..

At the risk of entering TMI territory, I've never found lubricant necessary, even without a foreskin.

Respectfully, sirs, I submit that your female partners are the ones already providing the lubrication, that's why you don't 'need' it, regardless of cut or not.

(if we are talking about male partners, then )

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Originally Posted by Ryokan View Post




Respectfully, sirs, I submit that your female partners are the ones already providing the lubrication, that's why you don't 'need' it, regardless of cut or not.

(if we are talking about male partners, then )

I assumed they were talking about going solo...

 

[slingblade]

I assumed they were talking about going solo...

Indeed.

Another shocking note--sorry, I know I'm blasting apart some pretty cherished notions here--some guys have a partner, and healthy sex life with that partner, and it's still not enough for them. So they go solo. A lot. A very lot.

Different strokes....oh, god.....